Hey,

Help me out guys. I'm new to doing this sober.

Bar/club. HB 8.0 in the dark so probly a 7-7.5 in the day. Great face.

Escalated really well, talked for a bit. Then a great song came on so I grabbed her onto dancefloor. Fun dancing, pulled in really close. It was on. Making out. After 10mins of this or so I asked her "lets get out of here." she said she couldn't leave her friend i said "take her with us, my friends and I are leaving soon we can go somewhere and hang." She was still resisting but it wasn't a "no ur done" more a "no u got to work for it."

So I then kept the makeout going and complimented her multiple times. This went on for another 10-15 mins. Everything went downhill after that.

I saw a change in her right before my eyes as I was losing the set. The makeouts were getting stale and the compliments too one sided and they got old. Her eyes didn't have the same lust in them. I saw them fade before my eyes and I didn't know how to stop the bleeding.

I had to go see my friends and she said she had to go to the bathroom. I was chatting up her gf after touching base with my buds. But I noticed that HB 8 didn't return.

It was near the end of the night so I got my jacket and saw her talking to another guy. I acknowledged the guy with a respectful nod and leaned in to her telling her I'm leaving and if she'd like to come (at this point i knew it was done but what the hell, experiment right?). She said she was going home with her friend and "thanks, bye." So I bounced.

I wasnt interested in getting her number. I wanted to practice same day lays in the club if possible and I needed to work on my physical escalation skills (I used to talk a lot and not get in there).

This is what I'm thinking about my mistakes.

• makeouts got old fast! Making out on the dancefloor with the same thing over and over just lost its luster even for me.

• Should I have put her hand on my dick as I was dancing dirty with her? We were really grinding out there for a while, like dirty shit lol. I thought I was getting laid for sure. Maybe escalate that way?

• Should I have moved her to a couch or a bathroom?

• I should not have complimented her so much. I said like 4 compliments. I think it made me look hungry. Is push pull the answer? How do you do that at this stage?

Any help/insights appretiated.

-Maybe the makeout was too much, too early. You should always keep them hanging, wanting more. And always be the first to end the kiss.

-You can try, though it's not guaranteed to go well.

-The couch, yes.

-Even one is too much. Use negs instead.

Aww man, you had it. If she gave you the "you have to work for it" then you have to jump into alpha mode. Giving her compliments was the exact wrong thing to do. The game isn't over til it's over. You had her interest, and while she might have been thinking about her friends a little bit, she was grinding and making out with you. The thought of going home with you had crossed her mind before you said anything.

I wouldn't have used the "let's get out of here" on the dance floor like that. I would've moved her back to a table to isolate her and DHV to build more comfort. From there, go on a instadate. After that I would try to get her back to my place to (fill in the blank, get a drink, check out a cool vid, show a cd).

You're doing well, bro! K-closing is good. And sometimes you just can't get a SNL for whatever reason. Keep going!


-Ruggedized

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Hey K,

Sounds like she got bored. Hand on the dick isn't a good idea... should be a natural progression when it happens. 4 compliments weren't necessary, you were already making out/grinding at that point. Sounds like the last 1 or 2 were out of desperation. You want to come off as a challenge.

I would have pulled her aside to a couch and do some deep diving conversation. Basically, gettiing to know her, make her qualify, escalate, and continue making out.

So I should have isolated (moved to couch or corner)

Once there I should have DHVed and made her qualify, keep the physical vibe going and make an emotional connection.

Maybe throw in a neg or two to keep her guessing/make me look like a challenge.

From the couch I try to move her again out of the club (instadate or home).

Sounds like awesome feedback to me.

Thanks Guys.

The only way you can get that girl to come back with you was if she came out alone.

For pulls. (if the girl isn't alone)

1. Don't go for make out. You can kino.

2. be friend the whole group, or makes sure your wings do it.

3. Have a reason to bring them back instead "hey lets get out of here."

4. to make the pull more solid, bounce them to another place before pulling.

Trust me on these 4 rules. That girl your trying to pull was afraid of looking like a slut in front of her friend. Also, note this, pull doesn't always come out to lays. But it leads to solid close. Even if you pull a set, don't fuck close, the girl feels more comfortable coming back to your place on her own.