To the gene pool?

I can summarize all this PUA stuff - "geeks" and "nerds" are mostly the people having trouble with women. Computer programmers, engineering students, scientists etc. Note a trend here: all these people provide massive value to superpower countries. No engineers? No technology. No scientists? No nukes.

Instead what? who are proliferating are people who basically provide zero value to society. My personal friends for example - all the ones who suck at work and have a history of (usually heavy) drug useage are the playboys.

And I'm not like a pasty nerd boy or anything I was just groomed to be a hard working man who follows the rules. I'm way more fit than any of my friends. Its about being someone who basically puts his own simple pleasures (sex, food, sleeping) far before everything else.

Go to a university library - 95% of the males there are either working alone, working with other dudes or are tutoring some hot chick they are orbiting while she dates some worthless pig.

Its really disgusting.

And now I'm 27 - can I even recover all those years of lost pussy and end up not losing at life without throwing all my hard work away and turning into a lazy junkie druggie piece of shit?

It really bothers me and gets on my mind a lot. Especially the feeling that I'm too old to recover a win at this point.

Edit: Oh and and 6 months of focusing on nothing but this crap has gotten me what? 2 dates with hot chicks and a lay by some chick I'm completely not attracted to. Shit its not like I'm going down without a fight - I got rejected 2-3 times every day this week besides today (I'm sure that'll happen at the club tonight). I can't do more appraoches than that or I'll pollute my environment and become "that guy" who everyone sees doing jack ass shit.

A person's professions and hobbies do not necessarily convey their personality. Hobby-wise, I am about as nerdy as they come. I played Warcraft III professionally for 3 years, started a software business by selling software I programmed myself, and have played just about every video game out there. The funny thing is, only a select few of my closest friends and none of my past girlfriends have known about any of that.

I'd also like to say that in about 90% of all cases, good women will end up with good guys. I don't mean nice pussy guys, I mean the kind with their head on straight who possess the ability to treat a woman the right way. If you see a woman with a piece of shit drug addict, you should really reconsider the way you look at her. Yeah, she might be hot, but she probably has a huge self esteem issue or might even have a drug problem herself.

Right on Snarg! Don't give up, you're never too old to pull a win out of your hat. You just have to stay determined. And if you're worried about those other guys, why not give'em a little bit of advice, maybe a little poke towards this little PUA haven, to get them on the gene pool-restoring track.

Your view sounds too absolute, with drug-addicted partiers on one end, and the successful, well-educated "nerds" on the other.

I agree, most who pursue bootcamps and study pickup are introverted nice guys. They have the hunger to improve themselves. That's good.

I'm only one year older than you and I never look in the rear-view mirror. The past gives one lessons, but that's it. No dwelling.

So if you know what your sticking points are that make balancing your time difficult, what are you going to do about it?

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"The great question...which I have not been able to answer, despite my thirty years of research into the feminine soul, is 'What does a woman want?'." - Sigmund Freud 1856-1939

I really enjoyed reading this thread and all the responses.

I'm not really sure what side i'm taking on this, I think somewhere in between.

Smoking hot chicks with absolute douche bag guys is a common thing to see on the street. But you don't really know they're douche bags, like you didn't go up and talk to them. I think it depends on the perspective you have, that's created by what you think you know from the people around you and the stories you've heard.

I think it's a pretty balanced world for the most part.

hmm, why is it that guys allways assume that if a guy is dating a hot girl, he is a bad person, could it be jealousy?

it is an unfair annalogy to say geeks and nerds are mostly the people having trouble with women, when it is more likely, ugly people, and people with social anxiety, if you fall into one of these two categories, there is a fix for you, and the majority of men who seek out pua belong to these two categories, either that or they want to improve the number of girls they can get before the year ends

the difference between the guys who are good and get women, is not drugs and the amount of dickish behavior they display, it is there drive to get women, because the guy who likes sex and doesn't care, goes out and talks to women and tries to get laid, he doesn't say hi and have a convo to no where hoping the girl does it for him, he doesn't care if he gets rejected, he doesn't sit agaisnt the wall hoping some girl approaches him, and most likely he isn't 400 lbs overweight playing world of warcraft all day

one of the nerdiest guys I know has no problem with women, and he is the only guy I know who has managed to get a threesome out of my friends

the only difference between and orbiter and the guy getting his dick wet, is the orbiter never gets her alone and tries to get his dick wet

Interesting division between orbiters and achievers, pumpington.

I think it is an ego thing, a guy wants to believe he is better than a certain guy, and wants female attention as proof, when he relies on this 'proof' and he doesn't receive it, he gets frustrated. That's why it's great to be unattached to the outcome!