I feel attraction and sexual tension over text.

Do you think kissing on the first date is a good idea, or un-classy?

I'm planning on keeping the girl btw.

lol.. its been a long ass time since i haven't kissed on the first date.. Let that speak for itself

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I thought a kiss on the first date was like, the absolute minimum you should be aiming for?

What Fuze means is that you don't go on a date before you're in a relationship with the girl.

In my opinion, dating is not a all optimum: it costs you money (not good!), you have to do all the talking (really sucks) and you're eating so you don't really want to talk in the first place.

ill kc in the first 2 mins if i get enuff ioi's and some kino

LOL,

actually, I got lucky with this one. She's a talker, so all I have to do is listen and nod

But I think I'll take Fuze's advice, even if I established kino and the 3 IOI's, I don't think it's a good idea to kiss her on a first date.

that isn't at all what i meant.. kiss her, sleep with her if you can take it that far

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Are those the only available outcomes? I can think of lots of others...

Sometimes, i just ask, "May i kiss you?". It's only been in the last couple years that i've started doing that, but i find that i get a lot further. The woman generally feels safer and respected and drops their guard quite a bit.

Some girls are just that kind of girl, you gotta ask, or even wait to ask till the second date.

Asking first doesn't work with women who want to be lead. It will leave them feeling like you're a wuss, but those aren't the only girls out there. Lot's of them are, but not nearly all.

You just need to learn the difference. ;o) Assuming there is any one or two outcomes from something when applied to, even just a few, people is the best way to miss out on something you didn't consider.

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I love fking on the first date but yeah dude, you can tell when she wants it.. So just act accordingly

lol fucking on the first date is not an option. I don't feel comfortable doing it

But I like the "may I kiss you approach" but I think a better approach would be the approach mentioned in the book.

"Would you like to kiss me?" after a little bit of silence.

That way if she says yes, you go for it.

If she says maybe, you say "why don't we find out?" and you'll go for it.

and if she says no you can say "who said you could? you just seemed like you had something on your mind."

That way you keep your dominance without being rejected, don't you guys agree?

Where as if you say, "may I kiss you" and she says no? what are you going to say then? "Oh ok cool.." shit's gonna be awkward lmao

I've never asked a girl if I could kiss them. I usually try n time it according to kino and eye contact. If im dancing with a girl and her face is a couple inches from mine and stays that way, thats a green light for me. At home I like to pull the "wanna watch a movie" quite often and if there's enough kino I go for the arm around her and if she leans in its gold. Kissing is all about timing and looking for the signs!