Hey guys , i can't stay very long but i HAVE to ask you something of major importance :

I'v been reading and testing lots of stuff this weak but i keep noticing discrepancies between different authors :
The most recent is :

Ross Jeffries - Speed Seduction Algorithm :

Excuse me, Forgive me for interrupting you, I just wanted to tell you.....(pause a second or two for
effect...they will begin to wonder "what???.. what does he want to tell me?") I think you're
absolutely stunning....and I really wanted to meet you. (Pause again)
"My name's...." I then extend my hand and shake theirs!

Style The Annihilation Method:

"You should never apologize , especially in the opening phase , she must feel privileged that you approached her"


I understand that these 2 approaches are different but still:
Ross: lots of pauses , "Excuse me, Forgive me" , going for more romantic dreamer
Style: going for a very confident , clever and egomaniac macho.


Should not be the principles behind a technique at least close?
Im gonna quote Style "Fashion changes , music changes but laws of attraction stay the same"

I'm new to the pua community, but Styles has seemed more effective. I'm cocky by nature though so I can pull it off and don't seem fake. I think which ever suits your personality the best.

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I can't agree more.
But the question isn't about the technique itself , it's more about what's it rooted on.

Quoting Style again : "If you get the main picture right you start seeing all the invisible threads that can or can not be pulled"

Saying excuse me isn't wrong, nor is saying sorry. It's only in the way you do it. Therefor it's easier to say just don't do it to new kids on the block.

I'm still kinda new to this too....but keep in mind that everyone has their own taste... Perhaps both methods work very well...But maybe Styles' method appeals more to the girls he is interested in...and that's what worked for him. Same for Ross Jeffries...Maybe he's into girls that like the "nice" guy, and that worked for him.

Maybe you can try the 2 methods, on different types of girls and see which one works best with the type? Just a thought

ignore every single "RULE" espoused by anyone in the community. Style is wrong, the laws of attraction do change. Would a cave woman give a shit if you had a nice suit? fuck no! if you had a big dead deer, she might.

Every woman is attracted to different things, you can apologize, it's all about calibration and understanding your target, some are softer and will feel confronted by a super arrogant bold macho approach, others will eat that up and love it.

No two women are the same, all you can do is play to your strengths and play the averages for the type of woman you are attracted to. Then in time, you'll develop calibration and start to notice when one thing is appropriate and when it's not.

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yes you can apologize and go into your strenghts ,and weakness's everybody has a different game.. but to say that laws of attraction change? eh were all species and its in our blood, and brains to respond.. sure the cave women might not like the suit, but shell like your shirt you made out of a fresh lion..

its all about adjusting, same ol type of setup just have to upgrade the format disk.

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In other words....It's the same context....just different content.

Not apologizing may make sense in the context of some shit tests, but it's not some across the board rule.

Please also remember you're talking about an opener here which is pretty insignificant in terms of the whole pick up. An opener is just that, you've still got a whole conversation to do after it.

The whole oldschool PUA's seem to think of pua as a complete social system. It is not. You need this thing called "social intelligence" if saying excuse me is the appropriate thing to do, you say it. That simple.

Personally I'm not a fan from RJ's stuff so I'm not that familiar with his specific type of game.

this.

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