Hey guys, I've only discovered the community very recently, but it's definitely expanded my mind. I've become pretty good at opening and number closing, but I can't seem to get a second date out of girls. I was wondering if you guys wouldn't mind telling me where I went wrong in some of these situations. Sorry this may be a dawn out post

Number close #1 attempt

HB: Hey! You have a good night?

Me (the next day): Yeah it was banging, me and my friend invented a dance together btw do you have a twin?

HB: Ohh cool u will have to show me it ha. and nope i don't, I;m the only child haha

Me: Weird, I was out have coffee today and saw someone who looked just like you. BTW don't you still owe me a drink

HB: Ah nope must of been my stunt double! Haha and yeah I do! U sneaky boy I like that game though, I'll be playing that more often.

Me: Haha well you'll better pay up if you want my super secret dance moves >:]

HB: Deffo going to have to pay up now!

Me: Awesome, since you're paying we'll go get a drink, say tomorrow (Got no response)

Me (the next day I decided to try again) : Hey turn around

HB: Turn round? I'm in bed! LOL

Me: WTT, it's your clone again! I think she's stalking me :S

HB: Haha! I need to see this clone!

Me: Haha go to north shore, I'm sure shed be happy to meet you

HB: Haha aw mann I wish I was out tonight! Been to work all day so I'm star fished in bed!

Me: (In hindsight, I probably should of pretended she was hitting on me) : Haha yeah I wish you were here too, I could use a drink (she owed me a drink from the lying game)

Her: Haha ur never going to let that drink go are you! and I'm a lifeguard and gym instructor

Me: Omg that's actually pretty cool. Actually I don't know much about you when I think about it, tell me something cool

Her: Ha thanks I guess, and hmm god what do you want to know? I don't know anything about u either! U haven't even told me what you're studying!

Me: Tell me your favorit thing to do when bored, and don't say facebook. And I'm in pharmacy

Her: Facebook! Don;t be stupid ha, well I'm into climbing and mountain biking but I love going out! Clubbing etc what about u? And pharmacy bet that's tough subect!

Me: OMG I'm totally gonna adopt you, my favorite thing is climbing treets yeah pharmacy was voted the hardest course in the world

HB: Haha woo! Let's climb trees yeah I can imagine good luck with that

Me: Honestly I'd be totally down for that, plus we can go out after I'll be fine though, I'm in my masters year


HB: Haha it's a plan! And oh right cool, I'm a fresher, poor me my livers gonna be damaged by the time I'm a master

Me: Cool it's a date when are you free? Ha don't worry, I'll treat your liver (No response so I gave up)



Number Close 2

Me: I just made you open your phone for no reason =]

HB: ?

Me: Do you know who this is?

HB: No!

Me: It's __, I met you in paddys a few days ago. BTW I bet my weeked can beat up your weekend

HB: I disagree, I had a very good weekend!

Me: Oh this sounds exciting, tell me of your epic adventures (Got no response)



I got an HB 9's number yesterday, and I really want to close this one, but I think I may have screwed it up. I'd appreciate advice.

HB: Home!!! ... and it's raining btw haha

Me: You had me worried sick young lady! BTW I'm luring girls to my house with candy, do you prefer skittles or m&m's

HB: Loll you're funny

Me: I have my moments. So when do you wanna take me for those drinks (I'd previously gotten her with the lying game)

HB: What?? :s,
HB: Ooo haha omg I thought I was testing another __ I'm like what drinks?? But yeah hahaha not till December for sure!

Me: :O what a rip off, you should buy me dinner if you're going to screw me over like that

HB: LOL we'll see what happens! I have a LOT of school work to do you know!

Me: Haha you're funny. Okay so I'm free friday, you can take me to dinner then

She hasn't responded, but I was wondering if I could recover this one. Also, advice on the previous messages would be appreciated.


Also on a side note, is there any reading material on negs, preferably with examples of negs because I feel like I'm too new to this to be making it up myself.

your main mistake is being way into it, its obvious to them that you really wanna take them out cause when they show some disinterest you try to plow thru with more interest which is bad. what you should do is make sure you get the iois first before qualifying them and after that asking them for a hang out(btw dont call it a date) have a normal conversation(ioi free convo) and dont ioi them until you get an ioi from them

Overall your convo is very good. But when you ask a girl out don't mention dates. Girls don't like dates because it reminds them of relationships and we all know relationships suck! For most people that is. Also you need to give a reason why you gonna do this with her. For example in your case where the girl liked mountain biking here would be a good text to her " you know I didn't do mountain biking for such a long time. I remember how I used to do when I was younger, the good times lol. I actually found this nice place for mountain biking I want to do it this coming week. I think we should both go and check it out". You see how smooth this is. It doesn't seem like you are just trying to date her for no reason but you actually have a reason for her to date you. Your rapport skills and flirting skills are really good keep up the good work.Good luck!

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Here is your mistake on why your getting so many flakes (IMO)

1. Drop that buy me a drink bullshit. That's a really bad time bridge.

2. Your asking a girl out way to soon. Makes you look real desperate. Imagine having like 5 girls. Your not gonna ask that girl out the next weekend are you? Just text back and forth randomly for couple of weeks, then set up the day 2.

3. Your text msg game sucks. Too me it feels like pick up lines of text game. Women can pick up on this. Be fun and creative about this. A great way to do this, is to qualify and built comfort with girls. Listen to her when your talking to her. From there, you can come up with so much stuff and just go on and on. Like if she nurse that lives in Ohio, you can text something like "All the Nurses from Ohio just won free skittles for life, congrats " The more unique it is about her, the better.

4. 50 % of your text should be funny, 25 % comfort, and 25 % should be just boring conversation. Keeps you unpredictable. In comfort, you should add sexual stuff, best done through roleplay so it does not come across as being creepy.