Hey my question is what exactly determines the success of a pua? I know every person has their own goals, but is there a general way of judging how successful a pua is such as number of lays, number of hook up buddies, amount of numbers? Any ideas?

This question already has perhaps some of the worst intent a human being could ever have. Trying to measure themselves in comparison to other peoples' goals .

1. Number of lays

2. Number of HB8-10s lays

3. Number of relationships with these HBs

4. General personal happiness


Id say those 4 but Im a novice?

Who ever can just walk up to any girl, any situation, and number close. sticking it in her butt and pee'n is MPUA Smile

A PUM (Pick-up Master)

Is a top-form PUA, reaching the highest levels of skill in all areas and may also be specialized in a specific form of PU, but not necessarily.
Can be a PUE/PUG as well as being a PUM.
Can PU in street and clubs/bars equally well, environment does not pose a challenge to him.
Knows how to utilize an "ultimate frame" and the ability
to re-frame anything and everything to his advantage.

Has experienced thoughts such as: "Oh well, my primary was out of the city and
I ignored my secondaries as I wanted to bang again that SHB 10, just to
know if she deserved to become one of my FBs...
but then I thought maybe I'd rather go to the
bar with my friends and play pool... "

Always draws women into HIS reality,
not the other way around.

Gives advice that only PUAs are
able to pick up quickly.

Gives advice so beyond "normal" reality
that it makes GPUAs take pause.

Looks at the game on a much higher level; it is all abstracted to him.
No longer needs "practice" as his life is the perpetual essence of PU.

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'Bitches aint shit' - Chai

God Chai, I am cracking up so hard reading that post!

Anyway, to the OP, I think the real question is, why the hell would you care about measuring your pickup abilities in comparison to someone else? What possible point would it serve? The mere fact that this is what you are thinking about is demonstration of your low self confidence and that's surely not going to help your game.

If your goal is merely to become the best pickup artist, you will NEVER succeed. Don't make that your goal. Each girl is a new goal. Some of those you will succeed with, and it will be rewarding. Forget your statistics, they don't matter.

Haha thanks guys for the input. I don't care about being the best pua. I know everyone has their own personal goals and thats what really matters. I wanted to see what input i would get and i have to agree with chai

Haha Thedocta that's not even my own definition of what a PUA is,
it was taken from another seduction post which someone else
drew and up I thought that would be fuckin funny to post
a few bits in there need adjusting!

I'm glad someone else found it amusing!

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'Bitches aint shit' - Chai

Amount and variety of STDs is the only way to crown a champ!

The best answer I've heard in this thread.

1. f-closes
2. k-closes
3.n-closes
4. girls that have blatantly explicitly showed that they are attracted to you
5. girls you got in relationships with because of this
6. happiness

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Just trying to meet a 10.

Ok, so...how to know when you are an awesome pickup artist...

Pick up girls
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBLpT1Fu ... re=related

If you can pick up a girl using only Orcish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlYVl8HNwKo

If you can use mind control to subdue the inferior intellect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWBvdZa_Nno

thedocta I wathced that video on using only Orcish,
my fuck man that must have been the WEIRDEST
pickup I have ever seen in my life The chick
was like ":| ....." the whole time haha

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'Bitches aint shit' - Chai

HB6.5+ f-closes for me... I don't see how you can say a k-close is a 'close' personally.

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Behind the lady who dances and the man who madly drinks, i'll show you the truth about love.

Everyone has their own standards. What does the author of this thread intrinsically want in terms of success? This is generally a much more accurate assessment than measuring your goals in comparison to the standards of other individuals. You will invariably become disappointed.