So there's this girl I've always kept making eye contact with in the Student Union where everyone is just chilling around on their laptop, in the billiards hall, or upstairs at the buffet. Right after I made eye contact with her, I walked into a store and picked up a napkin where I twisted it into a rose. I went back out and started walking towards the girl. She looked at me from about 30 meters away then looked back down to her stuff while sitting on the couch. Shockingly for her, I was already up in her face 15 seconds later and I said, "Hey..you dropped this." I gave her the napkin rose. She said, "Thanks.." in a bored-like manner since she was still trying to catch on. But by the time she caught on, I already left and started heading upstairs to the buffet w/ a crazy smirk on my face. When I gave it to her, people chilling around in the union were looking. I had some friends recording the whole thing on their phones from up above, it was funny shit. I didn't try to get the girl but I just do these things to challenge myself for the hell of it. There's plenty of other girls that I DO try to get though. And who knows, maybe I'll run into her again and she'll recognize haha.


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Okay the problem is the place and time and stage of the game when you did it... I do it in club game during isolation, after a make out, i do not like doing it as an opener, specially in college... So good for you that you are trying, but no the best technique, you killed the challenge!

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I see what you mean. I'm never challenging with a girl. I just go straight at it and directly, no need to play hard to get or anything, that stuff is grade school for me, past that stage. The reason it works for me is that I go at it as if I want to fuck, not that I want a relationship. The reason it doesn't work for most guys is because they aren't going at it as if they want to fuck.

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Is this the rose technique Steve P. used in "The Game"? (Forgive me if I sound stupid/noobish. I'm an AFC X])

If so, where do you learn underground stuff like this? That's what I'm most interested in!

So let me ask you the flower as an opener, how many times has that work? Plus in your description, you gave it to her and left, how is that the i want to fuck, i just do not like it, is not smooth in my opinion, specially in day time college setting... As i told you i do it sometimes, but after atraction, kclose.

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Kudos for trying. Who cares if it didn't work...It's a cool rose, and in a way, it challenges you to do things out of your comfort zone. Could the whole approach be polished to get better results? Possibly, but hey, if you had fun, it counts at the end of the day.

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I rubbed her thigh right after and looked at her seductively which counteracts the whole "I want your affection instead" ordeal. And how many times has it worked? None. I've gotten really good responses from girls for doing that, it doesn't mean it worked. I've gotten responses that were "on the edge", it doesn't mean they worked. I do this rose stuff without expecting anything, it's whatever. Then again, my whole general game is about not expecting anything.

And I disagree about kiss closing. It gives the girl too much validation. When you isolate a girl, what you want to do is get close to kiss her but then back up with a smirk on your face. It's a tease. Only kiss if you know it's going to lead to clothes flying off the next second. Because then they already know you could of kissed them if you really really wanted to but you didn't, you showed control. Doesn't mean you're a pussy, just means you're a lot higher value and shit like that.

The thing about the rose napkin is that it's a bold move. Even if it comes off as all sweet and crap, just the fact that you're coming out of nowhere and giving it shows confidence. But then you know, that's just my style. I show confidence but in an old school, sexy/sweet way. Just like getting up in a girl's face and asking her to dance or date or whatever. It's not what you make for the girl or say, it's the escalation behind it.

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yes that was my point, but also my point is that at the opening of the interaction is not effective, but again my opinion, everybody does whatever they want.

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Look man i am trying to give you constructive criticizem, as you say for yourself it has not work at all, which i suspected, i do this technique as a joke after i have already make out really really really nasty, and touch her all over in a club, i do it maybe once a year as a joke, this napking thing is just another tiny tiny tiny dhv stuff, since most hot women have gotten the flower at one point of another. There are many many many other things way more effective than this approach. But if it makes YOU happy, just keep doing it...I doubt the seductive effectiveness..

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Most hot women have not gotten the "napkin" flower haha. Look I agree, the napkin rose alone was just pure cheese. It's not all about being seductive 24/7. Seduction to me is just a switch I can turn on whenever I want. It's not my primary base, we both agree on that. But consider this. You give the napkin rose to the girl and after all the bullshit goes by, you tilt your head and look at her seductively then reach your hand over to her hair and twirl it between your fingers saying, "You got soft hair..". There you go, you just turned it 180.

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I'm gonna go out on a limb and say I like it.

It was clearly never a move to have anything instant happen (if it was my whole post is irrelevant), but it was so completely random the girl is probably going to be thinking
"Who was that strange, confident guy who came out of nowhere and disappeared just as fast?"

If anything, curiosity is the biggest thing working in your favor.

I think it was good because it showed confidence, aloofness, a bit of mystery, cheesiness (this can be taken either as a "he's taking the piss and as such is high value" or "he's a loser" - so goes either way I guess) and the tantalizing mystery of whether it was a display of intent or a impromptu sporadic encounter.

I wouldn't run it as a routine ever, but if I was just out to have some fun, and I would probably see the girl around again then I'd definitely do it.

4 stars.

Like how do I put this, there is a sweet spot between being charming and seductive. Being straight up seductive is boring for me and being straight up charming is just being a nice guy. But when you combine the two, my god will you break some necks...

And yeah, something like that deserves a bit of mystery/aloofness. You gotta be careful with stuff like the napkin rose. It's more like being Zorro or James Bond. You could come off as just a nice guy, but for some reason you don't, there's something about you. If you look at those two personas, they both do cheesy/nice stuff like that but they are nice guys with a twist.

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As i said you guys are trying to re-invent the wheel, and you even said it " IT DOES NOT WORK". You know when i learn to do this flower thing 15 years ago and i put it in between the cleavage... This is not effective when opening. Cat string theory..



Cat String Theory

Dangle a string just out of reach of a cats paws and that cat will give chase doing everything in its power to get that string. Then when the prize has been won and the cat has the string in its grasp, it quickly loses interest. Cat string theory has its roots in the law of scarcity, a fundamental marketing idea. Imagine, you turn on the television and see a commercial for some new overly-hyped kitchen gadget. The commercial voice reminds you that “…supplies are limited” and that “…this offer will not last.” This commercial is employing the use of the law of scarcity to increase the perceived value of that item. Believe it or not, it works for them.



Applying Cat String Theory to Attraction
When someone makes themselves overly available to a person they are attracted to, especially in the beginning stages of attraction, this over availability can cause the opposite desired reaction to occur. Someone overly available has lower value than someone not in such abundance. The goal here is to create her persuit of you.


If the woman you are trying to attract believes that you are highly desired by others, hence you’re demand outweighs your supply, then your value will go up. Demonstrating value is an important idea and for other techniques on building value see Attraction Building Routines or About Attraction.

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Screw getting girls. It's about doing what you want to do. Dude this is fucking hilarious. I approve.

I know what you mean, yes, it all makes sense. Pre-selection and cat string are only tiny bits when it comes to attraction. Those are just small bonuses that can help you out. However, they aren't the core of attraction. I know many pre-selected guys and they don't get any. Opening ain't shit either. I operate on 60 years of challenge method, so it's quite the opposite of yours. However, I have done what you stated and it only goes so far. Building rapport, displaying high value, showing pre-selection, etc. None of those things come close to fast escalation. You brought up a good idea though: putting the flower inside the cleavage. After a small nonsense chat and doing that, you have made a huge leap regardless of outcome.

And to be honest, the cat string theory doesn't really fit the girl's role. Girls aren't supposed to come after you, you're supposed to go after them. They're submissive and insecure, they're the ones that bend over, not the other way around.

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