Hey guys,

I approached 2 girls in a club last night dancing together on their own. They had a massive bitch shield from the start and when I made my opener they made a (who the fuck is this guy face) and completely ignored me, while flicking their hands in a (shoo-off) gesture. This type of response makes me feel quite angry and disrespected which I know is not cool as im just buying into their frame. I tried to engage one of the girls again and she said 'we are, french and we don't speak english" haha. It was just a no go situation.

And the frustrating thing was they weren't even that hot! I would say a 6/7.

How would you handle this, while keeping your dignity. Would you persevere or walk off. Is there a good comeback line to put them in their place while demonstrating higher value?

Cheers,

Titian

Why spend time on people that don't want to talk to you? Sure, you could make a nasty comeback, but if you do, you're a dick (in addition to being a guy they don't want to talk to).

Out of curiosity, what was your opener?

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hey Wal,

It's not like I wanted to spend time with them, I didn't know they were bitches until after I approached ha, so I stuck in to save face I guess, and not feel like a complete chump who just walks off after a bad response. I wasn't thinking of a nasty comeback per se, but one that would make them reflect on what bitches they were while maintaining indifference.

I guess a good way would be as simple as saying "ok, well nice talking to you, have a good night!" and walking off:)

oh and I think it was a random observational opener which probably wasn't the best to use, but I don't like to use canned openers too much.

Part of pick up is dealing with rejection. Until you get over rejection, your game is not gonna get better. And yes, it is hard to get over rejection.

I'm a newbie, but from experience, any girl who isn't respectful enough to acknowledge you isn't worth knowing.

And don't be frustrated by the fact they were 6/7. Oddly, the less hot ones often put up the most resistence. In my opinion, they get approached more than HBs, and slept with more often. These are the girls whack macks bang to raise their tally counts.

My middle school friends used to talk about all the coochie they got. But then I'd see the girls they did, and understood the reason for it. The girls were subpar.

You did right by leaving them. That was taking the high road. You don't want to be an AFC, and rationalize their diss by saying they weren't hot anyway. The reason that rationalization doesn't hold water was because originally you thought they were hot enough to approach.

Pull up this video on Youtube: David DeAngelo Interviews The WIng Girls
Go to the 1:30 mark and play it from there

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titian420, there are many reasons a girl can put up resistance immediately.

1. she is having a really bad day
2. she is having a private conversation with someone and would prefer not to be bothered
3. she just got hit on by a super-creep and doesn't want to deal with it
4. your opener sucked (it was and opinion opener, or some other canned material that the girl has already heard)

And others, of course, but the reason I asked about your opener is that a bad one can be called out very easily, and is one of the few reasons that girls resist right off the bat that has anything to do with you. So, stick with something like, "Hey, I'm titian420, and I wanted to come say hi to you two because you look fun!" I rarely get resistance right off the bat with this.

As for how I would handle it? It depends on the scenario. There have been a few times when I got some resistance and replied, "Wow, rough day?" or something along those lines. She would say something about it, then I'd reframe the situation. "Hey, we're out and having fun now anyway, don't worry about it."

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This holds somewhat true. Although there are a certain set of women who have bitch shields like fort knox - but are gold inside. Take a look at Adam Lyons' "negative attraction" video to show you what I mean.

You do things like this EVERY DAY without thinking about it.

Every day, you walk past charity workers, homeless people, salesmen, and people handing out flyers and completely ignore them, lie to them by saying you're busy, and generally don't give them a chance to talk to you or show them the tiniest ounce of respect.

Why?

Because you assume they're just trying to take value from you, and thus you shut yourself off to the possibility of interaction from the very beginning, because if you do engage them, and they turn out to be really nice and friendly, then you'll feel bad if you don't give them something.

Girls in a club dancing around having fun are gonna get approached by TONS of guys, mostly drunk, with shit game. They can't possibly talk to every single one of them, otherwise they'll never have a moment to spend with their friends just having a drink, talking and dancing. So, when a guy comes over, they just look immediately at a few aspects, and decide the probability of this guy being a chode, and then just shut you out before you can even say anything.

If you are getting blanket rejections like this, it's likely you're subcommunicating that you're nervous, or that you want to take something from them, or that you expect the interaction to not go well. You can help yourself by working on body language and posture, getting into a good state and having fun with your friends first, and opening sets around you with proximity first.

Here's a little mindset shift courtesy of Marcus Oakey http://www.yourcharismacoach.com/ when going into a new interaction, you can actually believe that it'll be good 100% of the time. How? Well, instead of thinking "she's either gonna like me, or I'll get rejected," think - "either she'll like me and it'll go well, or it'll be a funny story!" I now go into outrageously difficult sets, precisely because I don't give a shit anymore about rejection. In fact, sometimes I go in purely for the lulz of having a hilarous blowout and being able to tell a funny story about it!

Case in point - I was in a chemist buying condoms and lube about a month back, and I thought to myself "this could be funny." So I turned to the girl in the queue in front of me, and was like "hey, I know this is a bit random, but I'm actually gonna be trying these out later [holding the condoms and lube in either hand] and I was thinking maybe you'd like to join me? " Needless to say, she was stunned and said NO. So, I turned around and said basically the same thing to the girl behind me (also really cute!) and she said no too. Then I turned back around to the first girl and was like "ok, forget about these, how about just a coffee?" and she said no again. What was really amusing was that since it was in the queue, she couldn't just leave, making the situation 100 times more awkward! I love creating awkward situations and just revelling in them, that's the basis of great humour!

So, a couple of weeks ago we were out teaching a bootcamp and filming, when a girl was passing by us, and she stumbled and tripped. Some of chuckled a bit, and I was like, "actually she's pretty hot!" So I ran over and said hi. "Oh my god - I know you!" she said. "ORLY?"

"Yeah, you're that guy from the chemist a few weeks ago!"

We joked and laughed about that, and I got her number and set up a date!

So even when I went in and got PURPOSELY blown out for the fuck of it, I still managed to see her again and get her number. Even in the worst possible case, it was a funny story and I got a date out of it.

Thinking like this, will actually mean that your "rejection" rate goes way down, and will only keep reinforcing that you only get good reactions from women because you're always having a fun time!

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Good answers fellas!

Yes i do find it difficult to deal with rejection like that, and I know that is something I need to improve on. I probably went into the set sub-communicating nervousness.

And thanks for the links guys, much appreciated.

Ryan, good analogy with the charity workers. I reject them all the time:) I'll keep that in perspective. And nice story.... that must have been fate!

@Ryan Oceros,

I don't think I have the balls to say something like that to girls while waiting in line.

Lol. Props to you, though.

what about this .look at them .smile a stupid grin,hang your ahead exagerateted .slump your boddy then pop back up throwing up hands in a and shrug your shoulders smiling ,laugh a laugh like your connecting with how funny it was for them shooting u down,and u guys connected with that if nothin else, im just a newby so im more curious about this myself .i would try it but dont know if that would be the right thing to do

Just wondering Ryan, would you tone down a lot of Marcus's points once interacting with prospective women? Things such as Doing acts of kindness, complimenting, *being the one to laugh the most in a conversation, etc

This will happen every once in a while to everybody, don't take it personally.

Indeed, don't take it personally. You guys showed me how much fun rejections can actually be. I'd say: "OK. I'm going to go home and kill myself" as the proper response.

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don't worry about the back turns and bitch sheilds and rejections man, as soon as you get a few girls to open up to you, and other girls see that girls are talking to you, all of a sudden, sets start to open warmer, and warmer and warmer,

a couple fun things to do when you are out and getting rejected, just for fun yell BLOW OUT!!, or give random compliments out that start out with OH WELL, YOU STILL *INSERT COMPLIMENT* (i like saying have nice bums) then move on, make sure you just turn to the closest girl and use the same opener you just used over and over, that way you can see that its not you, its another factor, if every single set gives you a back turn or a bitchy attitude, then it is time to revise the opener