Hey folks,

I made the streets and greeted every woman i saw. That is about as far as I went though. I still felt an odd sense of anxiety with some of the women , so the hey was a squeek of a hey but i feel damn good. I even managed to give the distant eyebrow nod and smile greeting to ladies out of range.
Quite the day!

Does anyone have any great and simple conversation starters after the openers?

Hi everyone,

I tried the mission today but it wasn't a big success. People seemed unwilling to make EC with me, or look away after just one second.. Do I have to say 'Hi' even if they aren't looking at me? That seems a bit awkward. I really need tips on getting EC, can someone help me?

I'd really appreciate it.

Thx

Yes. You should see me when I'm doing this mission. I fucking chase down people saying Hi and Hello repeatedly until they say Hi back.

Just pick an eye and hold it strong. I just find myself repeting in my own head...right..right. (As in the right eye).

Oh and if ur eyes begin to water up or anything, just squint your lids

Gud Luk

I gave the mission a go yesterday and it wasn't quite as easy as I thought it would be although I think that's because I didn't stay out for as long as I should have done as I had to get back due to other commitments and barely anyone was out because of snow (the UK is useless at dealing with it) It wasn't too bad however and I think I understand the point of it to get you in a friendly mindset and to see that strangers aren't as judgemental as you would think. I will definitely give it another go soon when i have more time free

Hey, just went out in the field and gave this one a go. My party game is pretty strong, but cold approaches have always been hard for me and I'm still getting over my AA. I went to the mall with 30 bucks in my pocket, intending to either buy a hat or a thumb-ring for my overall style, so I had a purpose with what I was doing.

I spent the car ride up listening to loud music to get myself in the mood so to speak lol, this actually seemed to work well, even though when I entered I immediately felt slightly nervous, but I didn't show it. Walked everywhere in my alpha stroll with the smile/stare deal. At first saying hi was kind of hard, I'm not used to doing this kind of stuff without a few friends around me, cold approaching alone has always been tough for me probably because I'm still inexperienced in this area of my game.

I opened somewhere between 10-15 women, guess Thursday night was sort of slow. A few blew me off and didn't say anything, but my first successes gave me more than enough courage to push forward. One girl, probably HB 8.5 or so actually gave me the smile/wink deal, that was a huge boost. I ended up chatting up this one HB 7 who worked at this belt buckle kiosk, a little light kino and I made it obvious I wasn't buying anything but she kept talking. I eventually pulled off to continue the mission but told her I might stop by on my way out. Finally, I came across the kiosk that sells rings, ended up talking the guy down from 100 dollars to 30 dollars when I found the one I wanted. On the way out, I said hi to a few more, eventually it got easier though still not completely natural. I ended up not stopping by the booth though cause I was tired and my friend Amanda and I had made plans to probably go bar hopping a bit tonight.

Anyway, overall I'd give myself a C+ or so. I ended strong but the beginning was weak. I think I'm going to keep doing this every other day or so for the next week until I kill my AA some more. Like I said, when it's in class or a party situation I don't really freak out but if it's just me alone I tend to act shyer than I actually am. Anyway, thanks for the idea, trying to iron out my game for Amanda's 21st birthday next weekend because my ex-oneitis HB is going to be coming down with us and I want to be able to open up in front of her. That's a situation for another post though.

Oh, one question. One thing I struggled with more than others is cold approaching the two sets. I ended up only saying hi to one two set but it wasn't very loud and I'm pretty sure it didn't come off very confident. I'm expecting this to resolve itself on my next outing but any tips?

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Ok, I've been slowly easing my way into this.. got a lot of shyness to overcome but I'm getting there. I started out being proactive when dealing with shop assistants to be the first to say 'hi' and ask how their day was. Then I started initiating other conversations, I'd thank the barista for a great coffee, ask for the time at the bus stop. Might not sound like much but this is coming from someone who used to internet shop to avoid talking to people.

So...

I turned my attention to women passing in the streets. Terrible results. The majority wouldn't make EC, and if they did would look away instantly. I managed to squeak out a 'hello' once or twice. It just stumped me when they looked away.

I'm gonna try this again, at karaoke night. I'll be in a comfortable environment but thats kinda cheating I reckon. Jeez.. I've no problem getting up and singing sober, but saying hi to a stranger? Pffft..

Something that went well...
I made a concious effort to keep good posture and a smile on my face and that did boost my happiness and confidence.

Nailed it 6 numbers in 1 1/2 days!

Of the 6 I think 3 in there are going to pan out and turn out to have legs and go somewhere!

That sounds rather obnoxious. What is the objective of doing this? That's not socially acceptable behavior (in the cultures that I've been exposed to). I guess if the pua-in-training is trying to overcome some kind of social anxiety, maybe this exercise would help... ?

Anyway, I did this exercise. I understood the mission description to be:
1)locate moving target
2)make eye contact
3)hold eye contact, smile, say hello

I had no success gaining and holding eye contact with shoppers. I greeted and/or conversed with some store employee girls, but they don't count.

I was riding the down-escalator, and made eye contact with a 6 or 7 (I wasn't wearing my glasses). She held eye contact, we both smiled, and she waved. I don't know if she was an employee or not, but probably was because she was carrying something. She was out of sight before I could figure out where she went. There was nobody on the stairs but me, so she was definitely waving at me.

The mall was a total disappointment. I went to safeway and chatted with a girl on the hair care isle. She was on lunch (8pm, working for the starbucks). We talked about hair products like gels and dyes, and school. I let the conversation fizzle on purpose. I suppose this isn't acceptable to most PUA aficionados?. Everyone learns at their own pace.

If you're too scared to pull off any "socially inacceptable behavior," then doing the kinda shit that I did is perfect for you.

The only thing "socially unacceptable" from my perspective (frame) in that situation is the fact that someone ain't sayin hi when I said it to them with a smile.

my first time out, doing anything like this all is solo and with bestmate but he sorta cock blocks me without knowing it, at night i just put it all into my phone as i was bored and camping ;p

Day 1 Hello too 3 set, they giggle i look back there all happy, hello to 2 set of hb2 they ignore me, go up to a hb8 and have a convo made her loosen up and talk to me used some kino at the campsite i tried push/pull her age was first one, her being too fat(far from fat) being shit at tennis, and her hair which sorta was the best, she's coming back to see me again tomorrow to show me how to straighten my hair haha, said hey to a 2 set of hb7 out front of la porcheta and they were in a rush to cross the road but were yelling i love you, you're hot from other side of road, then left, campsite over from where we were staying had a hb9, 18 years old, and said hey, complete ignore, tried again bit later she just smiled and ingored me

Day 2 slow day a couple hello's, hb8 from yesterday came back and chatted to her for a while a set of 2 said hey to me so i had a little chat then left, hey to a 3 set on bikes, one stopped, i asked whats doing later on, they said festival, they said you i said yeah same here then she got happy and said i might see you later, used wing man to chat hb7 two set, too young so waited for an opening and left wingman is there age to chat to them, said hey to every hb5-8 at the carnival, kiss and phone number closed did take most of the night her first kiss she said she wasn't fridged during the day told her if she wants to go on this ride im going to get dizzy and kiss her, she still wanted to go on the ride, went for the kiss when it slowed down but she pulled away, we started talking about why she's nervous and shy, and she wanted to keep walking around, i put arm around her she didnt mind, went on another ride had fun, walked around a bit more her dad came up to us she said were going on another ride, we walked off, sat down i lent in for the kiss and then she pulled away and said she didn't want to kiss me cause she doesnt know me, went on halloween ride, i told her im going to kiss her because i know she wants it, but at a random time, she asked how i said you're body language and you lied to your dad and have had plenty of chances to get away from me, you want me to kiss you, she said kiss me after that i kissed her, got off the ride her dad was there and she went home as she was leaving she came back for a hug, meeting her again soon, when i got back to campsite bluetooth texted this hb7 for a while only got her number

night 3 went down to a carnival me and mate opend a 2 set of hb7&8 had a short convo asked what they were up to, they said not alot just looking for friends, they asked what we werre doing, we just said not alot not even from around here so just having a good time, they said they had to leave, i grabbed there numbers and me and my mate continued on, walked into an ice cream shop, and it was just loaded with underage girls and not many were under hb7 got too shy and just left and only managed to say hey a set of 6, went back to camp

i also said hello to almost every hb7-9 didnt see any 10's out, any age 90% of the time i got a hey back now i just need to learn some more and maybe approach some more

Figured I'd give this a shot today. Complimented the ticket girl on the train into twon, and before I know it, I got into a wonderful conversation with 3 majestic ladies. Shame they were literally 90 years old. Not quite girlfriend material. Quite talkative and sociable though, I had an actual two way conversation with them, as opposed to leading everything. If only younger girls were like that...

Did meet a girl on the way out of the train who seemed friendly. Notably, she displayed something which is an indicator of interest, IIRC. During a pause in the conversation, she asked me random questions to keep it going. Unfortunately, the train was pulling into the station, and she had to run to uni. We never even got around to exchanging names.

Said hi to pretty much everyone along the way to the shopping centre. Felt confident. Just to challenge myself, I picked the biggest, meanest looking black guy in the street, a bald 6"5 bruiser, walked past casually and said good morning with a smile. He gave me this scowl like I'd just called his mother a whore, but said nothing. Was kind of funny.

Said hi to plenty of girls within the mall, always with eye contact. Never really got anywhere, though. The responses I got varied from, at best, a smile and a return of the hello, to being ignored, casual nods, confused looks, and the deer-in-headlights "omg someone is talking to me what do I do" look, which is usually accompanied by silence. Tried saying hi to a group of girls, and the only thing they did was asking each other "who was that? does anyone know him" as I went by. The only time I really got any interest was unfortunately, again, an elderly lady.

The area wasn't so well populated though, probably due to it being monday afternoon. I have to try this again on a weekend.

On the way home, I did meet a girl who was getting on the same train. We said hi on the platform, chatted for a little, but I ran out of things to say and couldn't really get anywhere. She didn't seem to have much to say back, although she kind of had this vibe like she was expecting, or hoping that I would keep talking. After 2 mins of standing in silence together on the platform. I didn't have the guts to try sitting next to her on the train. I feel I failed there, need to work on that

I really need to figure out how to get more of a conversation going than hi, though. I found myself deliberately avoiding people who were on the phone/texting, couples(girl and guy), and girls who seemed very preoccupied, like talking to someone else. Saying hi in those situations felt rather intrusive. Should I have anyway ?



Decent confidence builder anyways. Helped me find my flaws.

Hey. JasonP here. Reporting the newbie mission.
I used Gambler's Natural Game method because I really don't like the routine stuff. I also mixed in some David DeAngelo's C&F.

First mission
Jan 22, 2010 Towson Mall
2 days before moving to NY, my friend fellow AFC took me to a huge mall filled with girls. Or so he promises. So, to make this job a success, I told him to point out some girls and force me to talk to them or punch me if I don't. (Hes a MMA fighter) The first girl was HB 8 and I started a conversation about fashion. He eventually forced me into Victoria's Secretand talk to the hottie at the front. That one was the most nervous for me. I went against my fear and said to myself " To hell with this, I'll be gone in 2 days." Apparently lingerie is a great topic starter. So to sum it up, I had random conversation with a total of 6 girls. Heres the order:

HB 8.5 at Zumiez
HB 7 at American Eagle
HB 8 at Bebe
HB 5 (tranny?) at Bebe
HB 7 at the food court
HB 8 at Victoria's Secret

2nd Mission
Jan 27th, 2010 Fashion Institute Orientation
I was hyped and nervous that day. More hyped than nervous. I've been practicing mental rehearsal for a while and read Double Your Dating and part of Attraction Isn't a Choice, both fantastic e-books by David DeAngelo. I told myself that I will say hi to EVERYONE. Girls, professors, gay guys, everyone. Heres the list:

HB 8, HB 7.5, HB 7 Front desk hotties
They were at the front desk and i was lost. So I asked where the amphitheater with "Hey how are you girls doing? I need help, wheres the orientation held?" I ended the interacting with "Thanks guys. Have a nice day."

HB 9 Swedish Hottie. Number closed.
I started with a energetic, confident "Hi, how are you doing? My name is Jason and you are?" with my hands out for shaking. I immediately notice her accent and said to her "You're not from around here are you?" And we had a conversation about Sweden, fashion, and then how I told her that shes officially my first awesome friend in NY. She mentioned that shes a patternmaker so I used that to my advantage to get her number. When we are told to move seats, I decided to lead without looking back and she sat next to me. I later mentioned to her that I like her outfit alot and told her more of how I know shes not from the US. There was a HB 9 Asian Hottie on the other side of me, but I was having a blast with the swedish girl.


HB 9 Korean Hottie.
I again started with "Hi, how are you doing? My name is Jason and you are?" (for the record, I used that all day.) I don't remember the conversation much, it has something to do with food or professors.

HB 9.5 Korean Hottie
Had a conversation about korea and why she got into fashion. I remember saying something like "Lemme guess. You're one of those stories where you were into fashion since you're like 11 and decided that it is what you wanted to do." I got her to talk about herself.

HB 9 Eva Mendes (she looked like her) and HB 9 Florida Hottie
Started with "Hey girls, wassup? My names Jason and you are?" We were in a meeting with our advisors so it was pretty hard to talk to them. The Florida hottie gave me cold looks so I ignored her. The Eva M. was looking back at me every so often and sometimes I caught her staring at my crotch. Well, I was playing with my hands and my bracelets and then move them to above my crotch to rest them. She later stared at my crotch even when my hands aren't there.

HB 8 California Hottie
Started with "You're from the US, aren't you? I can tell." Small conversation. Met her during the advising meeting.

HB 9 New York Hottie. Number closed.
I made a comment about her gloves and a conversation just GO. There was a lot of laughing and I was laid back. I eventually automatically move closer to her and she seem pleased. Found out she used to be a kindergarten teacher and loves kids. So I elaborated on that. My dad came out of nowhere and I was forced to end the conversation. I decided to end it at the point where things got interesting and number closed her.

So that was it. I must say, I got more comfortable with it. I applied David D's "What can go RIGHT" mindset.

Any tips would be great. Particularly opening, I don't want to be a one note charlie even tho I just found something that works.

P.S. I just realized theres a guy named JasonLloyd in this thread, and I don't want to be confused with him. There are times when ppl make a different account because the first one set a bad impression. My old account is SerphChaser. I changed it because I feel more comfortable with my name.

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I've been trying this all week and so far very little attention at all. Most completely ignore me, a few look surprised and a couple have smiled back. The best result I got was a smile and hello from a pretty girl out smoking

So is this mission just to make people more comfortable with saying hello to random women? Do I move on to the next step now because I haven't really had any trouble doing it, I just haven't had much in the way of reactions?

Well, if you got some attention then you're on a good start. Somehow I recommend you get comfortable talking to girls first. So when you're comfortable talking to them, you can move on to a new technique without feeling more nervous than you would previously. Just try saying "Hi, how are you?" and find something on her to ask about. And this is from Gambler's Home Study Course, give her a compliment at the end of the interaction. I wasn't getting attention the first few times either, so no worry. Its all part of the process.

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