Hey Madals and Fin,
I've lightly researched game and had one question in particular that I believe you might be able to help me with. I've been holding off on furthering my game any because quite frankly I'm not sure which techniques or style work the best and would work with myself. I understand that forums like this one are to broaden your knowledge of game, however if I'm looking for particular training material, what would benifit someone the most if they just want to use game lightly? I don't want to start memorizing NLP sequences and getting women to fall madly in love with me by using ross jefferies lines. What would u suggest for a... casual game user?
--Ice

The short (slightly confusing) answer to this question is - all of the stuff and non of it!

That might seem a little contradicting at first, but its all to do with the individual. All the main PUA "guru's" have some really really awesome stuff, they also have a lot of stuff which an individual wont get along with.
Because of this, the easiest way in which to get "the style for you" is simple to give everything a go and see if it works.

Seriously, experiment with all the different advice and see what happens! the worst is you will get blown out a set, but guess what, you'll never see those people again!

If something doesn't work for you, don't use it. If something works for you, keep using it and try and find out WHY is works as well as it does. Just keep experimenting and eventually you will have a clear outline of what you want to do.

The next step is really once you understand WHY what you use works, once you have that down PU turns from a "science" to an "art". You can express yourself by using the same principles but not word to word.

To summarise:
1) Try everything - if it works keep it, if it doesn't don't use it (obviously allow a few attempts for reliability)
2) Understand why it works
3) from the why, express yourself and your own style

Madals

I have this extremely HB at my school (im in senior year at high school) an she is younger. I find myself generally very good at not falling for girls before wheeling them but I couldnt help myself in this case. Now before spring break I first talked to her at a party and did extremely well she was all over me but I didnt close the deal because she had to leave and later that night i hooked up with one of her good friends. We kept in close touch until midweek when she found out about it then immediately she told me she had a boyfriend and thats when we really lost it (I later found out that she lied about him)

Last weekend I was at a party again and she was trying really hard to get me by myself and so when we were we talked and right as I was about to close in her friend called her over and I didnt see her again.

Now I really want to start a relationship with her but school is ending in a couple of weeks and Im running out of time. This whole week she was playing hard to get (so it seemed) and it is extremely hard to approach her because alot of guys slobber over her all day though I am quite sure that she is interested in me.

I feel like I played it horribly because I only managed to talk to her for a few seconds all week and I even lost my nerve to approach her once and I think i looked pretty bad in her eyes. I also talked to her alot on facebook went pretty well but I feel like it makes me look like a wuss since we rarely talk in real life.

My question finally is what should I do? I wanted to ask her out for this weekend but I called her twice and today sent her a message on facebook to call me which she never responded. What should be the next step and what do I need to change? I need this to work.

Give it a day or two then set up a day 2, I really don't know why you asked

Your problem seems to be getting some time together to really get things off, once that happens at HS age that tends to seal the deal, as long as you keep in touch.

Is their anything specefic about this case?

That way I could give you an answer of much more depth and use to you (Y)

that advice may actually be much more helpful then you may think. I do need to set it up. Thats the hard part. How do I set up a date to just spend some time with her.

This has always been my worst area BY FAR. Im extremely good when it comes to hooking up with hbs at parties and wheeling girls in social situations but when it comes to girls that I actually like I can never end up setting up a date or even jsut chilling with them one on one without making myself feel like im being needy, desperate or obsessed. In my experience girls who dont think I like them like me alot more then the ones that are aware that Im interested in them (to be fair on that statistic I only ever really try hard with extremely HBs)

I guess finding her at school to hang with her could work but that has limits and id rather have a good afternoon or night with her to really lay it off. Once i get to that stage im laughing I just really want to know how to set it up/ask her. I have noticed a decline in interest over the past week as ive been showing more interest in her but I am very sure that it is just trying to play hard to get (haha i guess i did just call a girl and "it"). I really want to spark this up again and then go for it but I feel like the longer I wait the less shell be interested.

All in all how do I set up a nice one on one without looking needy and desperate and making sure shes interested in it.

EDIT: I should have previously stated that after calling her friday, when I was almost certain she had her phone with her because she had to stay home for the night left me kind of rattled and forced me to send her a message the next day stating "pick up your phone there lady", which she didnt reply to before offlining. Now it is completely possible she didnt have her phone friday because it was late and she wasnt really paying attention to facebook but I do realise this was a pretty big fuck up.

hi i'm mikal
short story:
i'm 21 I live and study in england (country of easy lay, yeah right)
i'm am considered a handsome guy, I think of me as a intelligent guy, I read a lot, I've got my own opinion on everything and I can easily 'provide' aninteresting conversation,
i study music, I can play a few instruments, write, record and produce music as well
the only problem is girls, during my teenage years I spend a lot of time playing music, practicing etc blah blah exuse exuse, so basiccly I was a virgin
when I was 18 I moved to england after some time a changed a lot, became more confident etc
I read 'game' by style and met a girl, she was hot, older and we spend a few month together
then I moved to the other city (for my school) and it stopped...
I turned to an AFC, i haved had sex in over a year and basicilly there is a problem
I cant get over with this 'dry spell', I read forums, know a few trick, I just cant get myslef to use it
fear, anxiety kicks when Im about to talk to a strange girl
summer is coming and I have to change, but I need help
guys? what is the next step?

Hey guys.

I'm going to copy my question straight from the individual thread i created for it since I didn't get any replies on that:

"I'll get straight to the point - I'm completely new to the PUA scene, and was wondering which method I should be picking up first.

My plan is to start sarging next week to start getting some practice in. I live in Austria, but my comfort with the German language is nowhere near good enough to game in German, so I'll be (trying) gaming in English. Given that most girls here speak only limited English, I was wondering which method would benefit that situation best. I assume Ross Jeffries with NLP falls out since they wouldn't really be able to grasp the imagery etc. without fully understanding the language? Does anybody who's experienced with this stuff have any suggestions?

Also, as a follow-up question, does anybody have experience with gaming in English in non-english-speaking countries and what the success rates are compared to english-speaking countries? Is it worth it? Or should I first garner enough comfort with the German language and attempt to game in German instead?"

So, in short, it's a two part question, the first being: Is it worth trying to learn to use PU methods in English when 80% of the girls available to me, at the least, speak English only as a second language? And following that, which method is most effective given the limitation on the target's understanding of the language?

Thanks for the answers.

Usual proccess for this, get RAPPORT, some texting maybe a phone call, if possible do this as a stand alone thing before a day 2.

Then second time you text or call her, ask if she wants to meet with you at "BLAH DE BALH" round "BLOOP DE FLA"

Now how much of a day two you make this depends on rapport. It's about reading people and thier comfort zones.

If she isn't feeling really comfortable, tailor the day 2 that way, make it just a 15 minute meet up at ben and jerries, if you know her well go out bowling or for a walk in the park etc etc.

Anything specefic?

This looks like a simple case of AA, their are plenty of ways to get around this... ....for you; I'd recommend going out and saying hi to five strangers as you pass them... then do it again, when you feel comfortable, then ask people the time, then do this again but ask an opinion opener to girls you like, then transition.

It's simple, and it's like the all purpose cure for anxiety when it comes to PU.

Sound about right to you? Or is their something more within yor anxiety?

Hope it helps

Ok so I have been building some rapport and I tried for a day 2 but she had to see hew grandma in the hospitol. I am still trying but I dont wanna txt or contact her too much, I don't wanna look needier then I fear I already do. Apprently Im told she likes me by her friend, but I think she is still nervous or out of her confort zone although when I talk to her I play it quite cool, what would be some tips to building that comfort into even getting her to join me and hang out for 15 minutes. Thx btw this is really helping alot.

Ok, I will be honest and say I think your going to have difficulties. While it is true that most communication is non-verbal, complex (language) communication is very important. If your looking for a one night stand, you can probably pull it off speaking in English since "deep" conversations don't really happen at clubs and bars and while you don't speak the same first language, between the two you should be able to get enough across.

If your going to be living in a place where the first language is German, learning the language is really really important. Not just for PU, but for general communication with friends, work etc etc.

I am sorry to say this is all hypothetical though, I have never been to a non-English speaking country and therefore have no idea what it will be like. The closest thing I have done is PU without speaking, but writting on a white board, problem is we still spoke the same language.
The best advice I can give you is go out and try, see what kind of response you get and adapt depending.

I'm trying to maintain a long-distance thing online. She's not my girlfriend, as she moved away before that could happen, but I'm visiting her this summer (as part of another trip).

I'm just curious about the ins and outs of text/email messaging, as it's something I've always fallen down on. We've sent quite a few messages to each other, and so far I've held off replying too quickly and that kind of standard thing. However, the emails seem to be a long series of points about what I'm up to, then a few questions for her, and visa versa. We're also throwing some IOIs, jokes etc... into each email. I realize that this sounds pretty normal, but her last message came back much quicker than normal (usually we message every 3 days or so, this came back after like half a day). It was much, much shorter than usual, and totally ignored almost all the points of my last email. It gave a very brief summary of what she was up to, and then said 'tell me more about (place I'd been on vacation)!'.

I didn't know if this was a shit-test or not, and didn't really want to do the whole dancing monkey routine in simply abiding to her demands. So I sent an equally short message back, gave a brief but funny anecdote what I'd been up to, and then said 'How about you tell ME more about (place she's living in) '. Finally threw in a FTC for good measure.

I realize this comes across is wayyy too over analytical, but I've had instances in the past where this kind of ongoing messaging without physical contact can just boil out, and this girl is really awesome, so I'd rather not let that happen. I'd been fine at reading her face to face, but for me this kind of thing presents a whole host of options including:

> losing interest
> doesn't have much going on, genuinely wants to know more about what I'm doing
> shit test (as mentioned above)

Any tips on maintaining this kind of thing, and dealing with irregularities such as the one mentioned above would be appreciated .

Thanks!

How often should you take a water break when you are in full PUA mode?

This will be short and sweet.

Don't get into PUA mode.

You understand right?

These e-mail and text relationships vary, thier is no template I can give you. Sometimes heavy flirting is what is involved sometimes, it's just honest genuine discussion.

TBH in order to maintain these things constant flirting isn't needed, that's just Buying temperature, and that only really matters in set.

Fact is when it comes to attraction she is either into you or she isn't, and unless you do something ridiculously chodish that attraction will stay.

Is their anything specefic about this case?