Damn dude.

Next time just call a girl to set something up. You'll stand out, show interest, and cut through her asynchronous technology affordance, not letting her bullshit around with you as much.


This girl really is fucking with you though. She texts you hiiii ONLY when she is at some place either being bored or she wants to look like she is social in front of other people. So she grabs her phone and texts the person who she doesn't have to put much thought into texting with, which is you.

It seems as though she's down with the idea of seeing you but doesn't have enough interest to follow through.

You should say fuck it and stop initiating things. Maybe after 2 weeks or so, call her and cut straight to the chase of setting shit up.

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dude the only time she picks up the phone is when im outside waiting for her... i've called her randomly twice already though so i dont really know. but if she didnt pick up those 2 times im not gonna call again

The advise I gave you weeks ago. Ask her out to some specific place that you know is the sort of place she likes to go.

The "freeze out" is pretty unproductive, as you've already been doing it for two weeks. Stop "playing Alpha". She already knows you, and the way you're acting is not consistent with the person she knows. And all of these new traits are not really for the better. Especially over the phone. Confidence and assertion can come of as arrogant or even needy over text. Text game needs to be simple.
No it wouldn't have. You gave bad, miscalibrated advise. You want him to learn from mistakes, but pass blame off on your own misreads. You also told him she reacted perfectly and was hooked! You keep offering him advise that is geared towards strange women you met in a bar last night, not some woman you've known for several months and have gone out on numerous dates already.

Let me ask you a question, do you think there is any difference in how you handle a woman you've know for two months and one you met 40 seconds ago?

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Regarding freezing out, he should freeze out and reintroduce with a different frame. There is no reason for why she would go to a place she likes even if she is feeling him. Although I'd typically agree with the idea of going where she likes, if she keeps flaking out I assume she'd prefer to go by herself than with him.

Although once again, I think he should pick a final ballsy move. If she says yes, good. No, leave her alone for some time. If he wants to try again, it's worth trying out from a new angle.

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I think the two of us are pretty much in agreement. I said one last try, since he's already invested this much.

It's just that freeze outs of weeks don't make a lot of sense to me for girls you aren't in regular contact with. I've always felt the point of a "freeze out" is to some extent more for your sake than hers. I don't talk to some acquaintances for weeks, months I can't even tell you how much time has passed. And I'm including the hot girls. I just ran into one that I know is in my phone, and I'm honestly not even sure if I'm still texting her or a different Heather :p

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So instead of freezing out, what do I do? She is unwilling to comply with what I want (dressing as i ask her to) and she never initiates conversation. and when i do, she says "ohhhhh so now you wanna talk to me" or some crap like that....

and we used to talk a little bit everyday until i started freezing her out...

if that qualifies as regular contact lol

I'm aware, but you haven't been talking. This is one of the reasons that it's better to take "game" as more of an abstract learning process. Use it to help you observe at first. Don't use it to drive actions. It's pretty plain that this freeze out has been counter productive. As it usually is. The main reason I stayed with PUA, despite starting with Mystery Method, is that I didn't actually try to apply any of his advise(except the going out more and talking to more girls). Aside from that, I just tried to observe. He was right about a lot of the stuff I'd been doing wrong. I stopped doing that stuff. However, he wasn't really on the mark on what TO do. These DHV stories and ignoring the girl you like and his kino system and a bunch of stuff was just flat out wrong. I got something good out of the system and not much bad. I did start playing too strong a frame and I became a bit difficult and wouldn't react to what a girl wanted at all. That was too far, but I fixed that up fairly soon. I slowly added more and more stuff in, but the bigger the suggestion, the more reluctantly I used it. Anything that would drastically change my interactions with women, I tended to not do. And the few times I tried, it did not go well. It was inconsistent and didn't help.

She was perfectly happy staying in contact with you. You still liked her. You then decided to stop talking to her. Why? Because you naturally wanted to? No. Because some guy told you that's how you could manipulate the girl into liking you. It didn't work and that's not much of a surprise.

You wanting her to dress up, frankly, is a stupid demand. And it's coming from a place where you have no leverage. You never had her enraptured with your presence to start with. You stopped talking to her for weeks and then pop back up making demands. Why would you think that would work?

I'm not sure that you even have any cards to play anymore. Between the artificial freeze out and the demand date, I'm just not even sure where to go from here. I can't even think of an AFC card you have left, because your freeze out has pissed her off and made not care much for you in the moment.

What I trying to tell you, is to stop "gaming". Pretty much, be yourself and change a few pieces of your behavior. Talk to more girls. Make your intentions clearer. Be more sexual. That's it. Stop trying to go Ross Jefferies and be a puppet master. Stop trying to fundamentally change how you act. Add a few pieces in slowly, as needed.

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I decided to stop talking to her, NOT because some guy told me to, it's because she never initiates the conversation, never brings up anything, never sets anything up, and is just boring.

^good man.

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Also i've noticed something.. i dont know if its directly related to me in any way but, i was going through all of my old posts of FaceBook and liking all these old posts that girls wrote on my wall and to my ex-gf and stuff and then i like some of her (the girl i'm freezing out) posts too from a while back....anyways.....she de-activated her facebook after that. I hope she got butthurt about the comments i wrote to the other girls on my page. lol

UPDATE!!



I sent her an email saying "Hey"

she responded back saying "hi"

i didn't respond so an hour after that "hi" she says," Can you buy my flight to vegassssssssssssss, heheheh"

and i say "You dont even talk to me anymore...and when you do u ask me to buy u a plane ticket................!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

then she said "um actually you don't text me back or reply so idk what youre talking about"

so i said "i never got a text.

she said "well i did text you you don't even text back "

her again "you take 4 hours to answer one text or you don't text back loesr"

my response "It doesn't hurt to send another text, does it? Sometimes I forget to check my phone, or if it's on silent I won't look at it...you're a busy momma and im a busy man......"

her response "ill leave you alone then....hahahahhaha jk. anyways" (LOL! she was copying me when i said that to her, so i responded with the EXACT same thing she sent me when i told her i would leave her alone)

my response "See, that is what i can't stand. When i say i'm busy or something that day or whenever. I get the "oh, i'll leave you alone then" response, that is so annoying"

How old are you guys?

Somewhere in that conversation:
"Let's cut the bullshit, I want to see you."

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im 22 shes my age

She's a tease and pretty immature. Don't squander your time trying to make plans with someone like that. There's Billions of girls in the world... no joke!