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Thank you for your follow up posts. I think they give us a little better idea of what you are getting at and you don't sound like as much of an ass or MISOGYNIST LOL

What I am interpreting is that you are basically wanting to know how to interact with women that you feel no actual respect or admiration for and are basically just wanting to engage them enough to get in their pants and call it good.

As some of the others have mentioned, I would suggest looking into some of 60 Years of Challenge's stuff. In a nutshell if you find yourself bored with trying to connect with them on an intellectual or meaningfull level then don't.

Don't waste your time trying to make a connection that isn't there and isn't going to be there. It is a sexual and physical connection that you are wanting so forget the intellectual/personal/spiritual stuff and focus on the physical and sexual.

From the first hello start flirting sexually and escalating physically. focus on those two things and forget about trying to impress anyone or making any kind of intellectual connection.

If a woman is physically and sexually attracted enough to you and you begin the escalation/arousal process she may follow through whether she is a Mensa member or dumber than a box of rocks.

If she is not into you she will bail early in the process and again, she will bail early whether she is Mensa or a ditz.

As long as it is respectfull and curteous and not manipulative or deceptive it is all fair game.


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Despite some others here, I won't treat you as an inept, muscle-addict self-aware dushbag. Because I understand what you meant, and what you feel.

I also feel I'm worth better than some no-brained 19yo chicks I can't find all over here in Spain.

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But by using the indirect method, one has to fake interest somehow. What topics do you talk about when nothing in her life has any interest to you, and you don't do f-ing magic tricks?

This is all what the game is about. Or at least the early stages of it. How to bring interest to your target, besides the usual crap "what's your name" "what you do for a living" and all this shit.

You can't fake interest ? Then just don't. And focus on getting what you want. Wanna get laid ? Build attraction. Wanna get a new GF ? Buil genuine interest.

And put some efforts in it. Because despite you thinking that "you're entitled to better", nothing comes for free.

So if you can't/don't want to fake interest, just go for a standard routine, or go for a more general topic, like news or something.

What I use to talk about when I don't feel like faking interest, depends on the target. It goes like this:

I got no IOIs so far: I try to find a topic that I'm aware of and that is susceptible of interesting her. May it be fashion, news, politics, economics, music, whatever. The more general culture you have, the better chances you have. Obviously.

If I got 2+ IOIs: I go into a topic a have great knowledge in. That will show intelligence, and will be proof of DHV. Then obviously, one has to be aware of the interest shown by target, and not going into a never-ending monologue.

Anyway, all this just for saying that you don't have to fake interest. Because:

1) you're target doesn't interest you ? She's not a target then
2) if you don't want to fake interest, just don't. Make it more genuine. Like she's been a friend or a workmate since ever.

My 2cts.

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EDIT: Here2play has some good points too. Make it immedatiely physicall. But it may not work, be aware of it, as gals are less open to sexual arousement than we are. And 60's stuff is epic for avoinding boring conversation. But again, it may not have a great success ratio


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you could use 60s years of challenge but i have this one big question, you say that the girls at your work are cool and etc why dont you date them or date someone of similar status?
Yeah, I've read some stuff about this technique. Seems sound.

The girls at work - every god damn one of them - are taken. This seems to be pretty much the case with all girls I hit it off with.
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I mean i hate 16 to 18 years old girl and avoid dating them (im 22) because they are at the age where are supousse to be idiotic (as i was when i was that age) so i look for women from 21 up who are still idiotic but at least an idiotic i can manage.

so why wont you just date girl more close to your age?
20 year old girls are just so much hotter than girls who are around 30, IMO.


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I agree with everyone here who says you need to change your attitude.
Hey! The you can't be cocky funny without being cocky! :D
But when I'm not having a tantrum I'm actually pretty much well-liked. ;)
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So these days I either tell them I'm a male prostitute or a professional ass model,
That's actually pretty funny - maybe I'll use that. Thanks!


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Thank you for your follow up posts. I think they give us a little better idea of what you are getting at and you don't sound like as much of an ass or MISOGYNIST LOL
Well....I am an ass - just not a misogynist. :)
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What I am interpreting is that you are basically wanting to know how to interact with women that you feel no actual respect or admiration for and are basically just wanting to engage them enough to get in their pants and call it good.
Yeah, that pretty much wraps it up. ;)
Although the optimal would be a hot chick with brains and a nice personality who I could settle down with. Talk about searching for a needle in a haystack!


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OK - so I was a bit pissed off when I wrote the first post. I meant what I wrote, but I might have been a bit too much of an a-hole when choosing my words.

What I wanted to communicate was, in a less boorish manner:

I find it hard to keep a conversation going with someone who has low ambitions and/or no education and/or low IQ.
With girls that are educated things are completely different, but I can't remember the last time I spoke to a good looking girl in her 20s who had a high IQ and was single.

How do you deal with a situation where the girl is not contributing to the conversation and does have much going for her that you can use to keep the conversation going?
There have been a lot of angry posts and I haven't read them all. I've been in your position so here's my take.

Everyone is interesting. It's hard to accept, especially if you have very tangible interesting things about yourself, and want them to support much of the conversation in that way. Think less physical, less concrete. Everyone has perspectives on issues, personal values, their own interesting traits. Make it your goal to figure out her opinions on sex, relationships, even things like charity. Figure out her values and portray yourself as being in line with them. NEVER FAKE INTEREST. If you aren't interested in what she's saying, change the subject, but try your hardest to have legitimate investment throughout the conversation.

If she gives an answer that's REALLY bad (don't overuse this, only use it for bad answers within her range) then neg a little and ask a follow up that draws a better flow of conversation. "I sell hamburgers at McDonald's" gets hit with "Hope you're not on the grill! You don't seem like much of a cook. What do you want to do in the long term?"


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Thank you for your follow up posts. I think they give us a little better idea of what you are getting at and you don't sound like as much of an ass or MISOGYNIST LOL
Well....I am an ass - just not a misogynist. :)
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What I am interpreting is that you are basically wanting to know how to interact with women that you feel no actual respect or admiration for and are basically just wanting to engage them enough to get in their pants and call it good.
Yeah, that pretty much wraps it up. ;)
Although the optimal would be a hot chick with brains and a nice personality who I could settle down with. Talk about searching for a needle in a haystack!
Don't worry, your asshood is still intact, I said you didn't seem AS MUCH OF an ass LOL

I would agree that finding someone who has brains and class and personality and such that you click with on all levels is the optimum. But if that isn't in the cards and all you are wanting is to score, then escalation needs to be your anthem.

The more you put in to escalation the more efficient the process will be. Then ones that want to fuck you will cut to the chase as you escalate and the ones that don't will choke and bail quickly so you are wasting time trying to establish a higher connection that simply isn't going to be there.

Definately look into 60's or Gunwitches stuff.


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you could use 60s years of challenge but i have this one big question, you say that the girls at your work are cool and etc why dont you date them or date someone of similar status?
Yeah, I've read some stuff about this technique. Seems sound.

The girls at work - every god damn one of them - are taken. This seems to be pretty much the case with all girls I hit it off with.
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I mean i hate 16 to 18 years old girl and avoid dating them (im 22) because they are at the age where are supousse to be idiotic (as i was when i was that age) so i look for women from 21 up who are still idiotic but at least an idiotic i can manage.

so why wont you just date girl more close to your age?
20 year old girls are just so much hotter than girls who are around 30, IMO.
if i understand correctly (i may not) you say that you want this 20 something girls for their bodies but you cant stand their minds. If im right, have you considered escorts? I dont know if they are legal in your country but in mine when im not in the mood to go out and find a girl, talk to her, pretend i give a fuck about her and bed her. I just order delivery and PAM! two hours of satisfaction or more.

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you could use 60s years of challenge but i have this one big question, you say that the girls at your work are cool and etc why dont you date them or date someone of similar status?
Yeah, I've read some stuff about this technique. Seems sound.

The girls at work - every god damn one of them - are taken. This seems to be pretty much the case with all girls I hit it off with.
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I mean i hate 16 to 18 years old girl and avoid dating them (im 22) because they are at the age where are supousse to be idiotic (as i was when i was that age) so i look for women from 21 up who are still idiotic but at least an idiotic i can manage.

so why wont you just date girl more close to your age?
20 year old girls are just so much hotter than girls who are around 30, IMO.
if i understand correctly (i may not) you say that you want this 20 something girls for their bodies but you cant stand their minds. If im right, have you considered escorts? I dont know if they are legal in your country but in mine when im not in the mood to go out and find a girl, talk to her, pretend i give a fuck about her and bed her. I just order delivery and PAM! two hours of satisfaction or more.

I have no problems with girls in their 20s as long as they have a reasonable amount of IQ. :)

Prostitutes are not my thing. I find it degrading to pay for sex.


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Lol smart good looking women are smart and has a lot of options. Hence they dont go for you. If you are as smart as you say you are then you should have figured that out.

You feel inferior, so in turn you developed a superiority complex. If one is superior then he is not inferior. All the things you say and do are to avoid feeling below other people. You feel inferior to your buddy who has been with 103 women so you find a logical bs to justify why you are better than him so you say "i only like smart good lookig women because he is only able to sleep with dumb chicks."

Whats keeping you from escalating "dumb 18 year olds" is your fear of rejection. Not simply due to the rejection but the fact that it implies your friend is better than you since the type of girls he score has just rejected you. You live in a sad painful world. People are people. Normal women (good looking and smart) go for guys to whom they have a connection with. If you are unable to let go of your egotistic self and stop acting like a wannabe emperor and actually connect with women then no quality woman will stay with you.

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Lol smart good looking women are smart and has a lot of options. Hence they dont go for you. If you are as smart as you say you are then you should have figured that out.
I screwed a doctor on Friday, so I guess you're wrong. She was pretty hot too. A 7 I would say. But she was already semi-involved in a relationship and lived too far away to be a GF candidate.
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You feel inferior to your buddy who has been with 103 women so you find a logical bs to justify why you are better than him so you say "i only like smart good lookig women because he is only able to sleep with dumb chicks."
He has more game than me, no doubt. He is also a very social person. I'm really not.
I'm superior to him in a lot of other ways, though, and after I started getting laid my number is at least equal to his, even though the girls he bangs are better looking IMO (but then again he spends a hell of a lot more time chasing girls than I do).
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Whats keeping you from escalating "dumb 18 year olds" is your fear of rejection. Not simply due to the rejection but the fact that it implies your friend is better than you since the type of girls he score has just rejected you. You live in a sad painful world. People are people. Normal women (good looking and smart) go for guys to whom they have a connection with. If you are unable to let go of your egotistic self and stop acting like a wannabe emperor and actually connect with women then no quality woman will stay with you.

I connect just fine with girls that have a high IQ, I just find it hard to find anything in common with dumb girls.


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Lol smart good looking women are smart and has a lot of options. Hence they dont go for you. If you are as smart as you say you are then you should have figured that out.
I screwed a doctor on Friday, so I guess you're wrong. She was pretty hot too. A 7 I would say. But she was already semi-involved in a relationship and lived too far away to be a GF candidate.
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You feel inferior to your buddy who has been with 103 women so you find a logical bs to justify why you are better than him so you say "i only like smart good lookig women because he is only able to sleep with dumb chicks."
He has more game than me, no doubt. He is also a very social person. I'm really not.
I'm superior to him in a lot of other ways, though, and after I started getting laid my number is at least equal to his, even though the girls he bangs are better looking IMO (but then again he spends a hell of a lot more time chasing girls than I do).
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Whats keeping you from escalating "dumb 18 year olds" is your fear of rejection. Not simply due to the rejection but the fact that it implies your friend is better than you since the type of girls he score has just rejected you. You live in a sad painful world. People are people. Normal women (good looking and smart) go for guys to whom they have a connection with. If you are unable to let go of your egotistic self and stop acting like a wannabe emperor and actually connect with women then no quality woman will stay with you.

I connect just fine with girls that have a high IQ, I just find it hard to find anything in common with dumb girls.
So whats exactly your problem? You say that you get HBs with high IQs and have no problem gaming them but that your friend has more women than you wich is kinda obvious because he has a lower standar than you.

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I am not wrong. I actually doubt you actually had sex with her. A date probably. There is no sense trying to defend your ego online.

You say you are getting quite close to his number? So you went from having sex with 22 women to 103? Well damn that 70+ women within a few weeks. Whats your secret? Maybe you should make your own pick up arts.

Wtf is this shit. If you are just going to make shit up, might as well say your a saudi prince and say you got 10 pack abs thst beings in the ladies 24/7.

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So whats exactly your problem? You say that you get HBs with high IQs and have no problem gaming them but that your friend has more women than you wich is kinda obvious because he has a lower standar than you.
A got a - 1 - HB 7 with high IQ this Friday. I'd like to meet one that I can settle down with. And screw a lot of HBs 7-10 while I'm searching for her. :wink:

My friend has screwed more chicks, which is OK, but he also screws better chicks than I do, which is frustrating.


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I am not wrong. I actually doubt you actually had sex with her. A date probably. There is no sense trying to defend your ego online.
Yeah, like I have any way of proving that, other than an MSN log that you would just claim I faked (also its in a language you don't understand). I have a pic of her ass that she sent me before asking me over, but your opinion doesn't really matter, so I'm not going to lower myself to a level where I post proof of having had sex this weekend.
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You say you are getting quite close to his number? So you went from having sex with 22 women to 103? Well damn that 70+ women within a few weeks. Whats your secret? Maybe you should make your own pick up arts.
I'm getting close to scoring as often as he does, is what I meant. This last year I think I'm in front of him. I started getting laid on a regular basis 10 months ago, he's been getting laid regularly for 13 years.


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