I dont talk to her friends anymore and wont F-close them...LA girls are almost all shallow if theyre hot. I am arrogant...I already covered this...youll have to read all my posts to see whats been happening.

I have, and you're still sitting here talking about the same chick. Being arrogant isn't something you should boast about, or even mention, it isn't a quality that real men covet.

Dude Im not boasting...its just how I am. I come across more confident then egotistic in person though.

Anyway she text'ed me again and wants to meet...she has layed out her whole weeks schedule and told me to let me know when. Im being cool and talking to a handful of HB's...shes coming around.

either way Im doing a lot better and feel in control

damn right.

Yes, you are sitting here saying it over and over again how arrogant you are! Do you actually WANT to be arrogant? Do you even know what that word means? Seriously...egotistical and arrogance are different qualities, look up both words dude.

You are even sitting here saying that you feel good because you have "control" again of the situation with this chick, and mention you are talking to a bunch of hot babes. Who gives a shit? I thought we already said this chick was bad NEWS, bad NEWS, BAD NEWS! Yet you are still content on meeting up with her, get out while you can, she is never going to be what you want her to be, she is young and dumb, and it sounds more like you want arm candy than an actual relationship.

I think she thinks that you're trying to buy/win/prove your love for her. I think she thinks you're more in love with the idea of her than with her, whether it's true or not.

If she really is the person you want to be with for the rest of your life, love her for who she is, try not to pressure her/rush her into anything, and try to make her happy without spending any money on her.

If she knows you inside and out, you can't game her in a traditional sense. If you still think of her as the hottest HB10 you've ever met, you're dead in the water. If you think of her as (insert name here), the most beautiful person in the world, you've got a shot, and you just have to hope that she loves you as much as you love her.

If you've revealed everything about yourself to her, and she doesn't love that person, there's nothing you can do. She doesn't love you. Just be honest, make her feel special, and the rest will take care of itself.

dude im sorry but i think u sound like a douche.
This guy wants to work back into a relationship with a woman he has got oneitis over. it does not matter if he's shallow or not, he is working for it. he is also a believer in God, so he is not as arrogant and shallow as you might think.
I hope he pulls this shit off. I'm in the same situation as him with my ex girlfriend. She broke up with me at the end of February. I think I have really lost her. Fuck. I felt like she came back to me.. Actually I chased her after a freeze out. I knew she was missing me. It went wrong right there, I invested too much emotion. lol. She saw me as Needy and WHAM she was gone again :p
She feels like she can get back with me fucking always. And that's true, every time she came back I embraced her with open arms. lol. girls don't like that :p
stupid girls ^^ they don't know what they have until its really gone
I'm not really missing my girlfriend, well I am.. but the worst thing that really bothers me is the thought that she might be having sex with another guy

Im sorry not really contributing anything. just offering support, im in the same situation.

Oh wait, I do have something to offer:
DON'T CALL HER!!!!! Wait TWO months - it will be hard.

IF she calls don't answer - return her calls a little latter.

You need to learn how to manage a relationship. I ahve a strong feeling you got LAZY in the relatinship - too available.

You see -you feel this way because you made her your life. Woman HATE that. You stopped being a challenge. WOMAN CAN NEVER BE YOUR LIFE!!! EVER - THEY ARE PART OF YOUR LIFE. YOU ALWAYS NEED TO ACT LIKE IF THEY LEFT YOU WOULD BE OK WITH IT.

You need other things in your life - friends, family, work, school, hobbies, etc.

i HAVE A STRONG FEELIN GYOU SHARED WAY TOO OFTEN HOW YOU FELT ABOUT HER?

Learn to become a challenge again.


GET A HOBBY:

Join a gym, learn to play a guitar, whatever... just don't let your
life revolve around women.


SHUT UP:

The less women know about you, the more they want to know. Keep your
problems (every kind of problem) to yourself, stop whining and
b!tching about everything, have a positive outlook on everything,
don't be a pessimist.


WHAT TO TALK about:

Go with the flow... the conversation has to be about 70% her and 30%
you. Talk about her favorite subject--herself. Ask open-ended
questions (why, how, etc.).


LISTEN:

Listen to what she has to say but never change your beliefs for a
girl. Pay attention to what she says, she'll drop hints as to what
she wants to talk about. NEVER give a girl a direct answer, unless
the answer is no. Let her work to deserve the information you
gradually reveal about yourself. Immediately direct the conversation
towards her when you don't want to answer more of her annoying
questions... bust on her by saying something like: "Come on, you can
do better than that... let's leave those questions for when we are
married."


BE DIRECT:

Don't beat around the bush. If you call a girl to ask her out, do it
immediately after she answers; the longer you wait, the harder it will
be. And never use the phrase "would you like to", that's begging.
Instead use "let's." "Let's go to the lake next weekend"
sounds
better than "Would you like to go to the lake next weekend?" The
first one is more a command than a question.


ALWAYS HAVE A PLAN:

There's nothing worse than calling a girl to ask her out and then
asking her to decide on what to do. You are the man, therefore you
are the one who has to take charge and decide what the two of you will
be doing for the date. Make it interesting and different -- bowling,
miniature golf, pool, foosball, jogging -- anything physical is a
great idea because you won't have to do as much talking and therefore
will have less opportunities to mess up with something that you say.


5 THINGS IN YOUR POCKETS:

1) Gum for nice breath
2) Chap Stick for nice "kissable" lips
3) A pen
4) Paper
5) Your wallet

* Always have condoms somewhere in your vehicle and house.


LESS IS MORE:

When dealing with women, less is better than more. Compliment them
less (only sparingly and when they have been nice enough to deserve
one), call them less (once a week), stay on the phone less (5-10 mins,
max), see them less (once or twice a week, max), less gifts (only once
in a while, if she's been nice).


DATE MORE THAN ONE AT THE SAME TIME:

You will be happier and avoid a lot of headaches if you are dating
more than one girl. If one blows you off, you go to the next one.


MOVE ON:

This is one of the most important things to learn -- don't be clingy
and move on to the next one if a girl is giving you problems or just
blows you off. You have a better chance of getting her back by moving
on than by being a wuss who can't live without her.


ON THEIR THOUGHTS:

Forget about what women want and all that other bullsh!t. Women don't
even know what they want themselves, so it is your duty as a man to
make her believe that you are what she wants. You do this by being a
challenge and by not taking their sh!t. Treat women's thoughts as
non-existent.


YOU ARE NUMBER 1:

Always put yourself first... protect your heart at all times and
think from the "I" perspective when making decisions. Most women are
selfish, so should you. Build a pedestal for yourself instead of
building one for her.


PASS THEIR TESTS:

Women will test you to see how much you will let them get away with.
It can be something as insignificant as whining about the type of
music that you listen to, and asking you to change the station. This
is where you put your foot down, and say something like: "Now that you
are whining about it, that's all that I will listen to". Pay
attention to these little tests, if passed, the women are yours from
then on because they have found a MAN.


BE A CHALLENGE:

I have covered this topic above in "less is more" ... end dates
first, hang up first when on the phone with her, etc. Always have
doubts about your relationship to her. She'll get the hint that you
are probably seeing other girls.


BE A GOOD LOVER:

Study books or articles on becoming the best lover she's ever had. If
done right the first time, they'll keep coming back for more.
Practice and become a good kisser as well, women love it.


DON'T LET THEM GET TO YOU:

Be calm and don't show anger when it comes to interacting with women.
Don't give them the pleasure of seeing how they can affect you so
easily. Walk away if you need to. It is not the end of the world.
Take arguments calmly and hear her side of the story first, that's the
easiest way to win any argument. Realize that most of the time,
she'll say that she's pissed about something and it will be something
totally different. It is your job to find out what it is that she's
pissed about.


HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR:

Make fun of them as often as possible... don't take life too
seriously. Women go out on dates to have fun, not to be bored. Be
funny every chance you get.


HAVE FUN:

After all is done, at least you will remember the good times you had,
even if she was playing games with you. At least you had fun while
she played stupid games.


YOU ARE BETTER OFF:

Being alone is better than being with the wrong girl -- you'll be
happier.


LOVE:

Love and relationships are for women only... they made this stuff up
while men were building and making the world what it is today. As far
as a man is concerned, love is just another word. After all, there's
no universal meaning of the word love.

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Failure was never an option


Because girls don't like sex.. Yeah RIGHT!
Why else do you think girls have P*ssies

I'm the douche for telling you exactly what your girlfriend was thinking. She dumped you, and instead of MOVING ON and finding someone who actually wants to be with you, you sit around trying to plot of ways to get her back. Why? why, why, WHY!?

It is a waste of the precious time you have on this planet. He wants to get back into a relationship with a 21 year old girl who he basically bought to stay with him. Diamonds, food, clothes, whatever the fuck she wanted? He knows GOD so that doesn't make him shallow? Please dude...religion is the ultimate crutch. This girl was obviously using him, was done with him, told him she lied the whole time and never actually loved him, but he is still content sitting on an internet forum with a bunch of other men trying to espionage his way back into her heart?

That isn't love, which is why like I stated he simply wants her for arm candy. He doesn't actually care about her, and if he did he would be okay with accepting what she wants out of her life, and what she wants is him out of her life. You, like him, need to MOVE ON!! It will be hard though when all you are doing with your time is sitting around trying to think of ways to get back with the one person who is NEVER going to reciprocate the love you're looking for, now be gone, you are not helping this guy at all by trying to help him get back with a girl who isn't interested, or is scared of commitment. Again, let me say this again, he is a successful, good looking 28 year old in LA. This girl will NEVER be on the same page as him when she is 21 and as he said, a materialistic vain and shallow girl living in LA.

stekehmrt : Thanks for that post and for the rebuttal All that you wrote/pasted was great.

Jackb1900 you seem to be quite negative...Ive noticed members here have had issues with you before. Either way I accept part of your argument but disagree in regards to me buying her. I got her the right way and maintained a healthy relationship for sometime...she had no clue about my monetary worth and I only was giving in the midst of things because I loved her more then life itself and figured Id marry her...I have never been denied or broken up with before and I would have never guessed the whole break thing would ever materialize. Right now I would probably give up all my worldly possessions to go back into that state of bliss if and only if it would last forever and was genuine...but alas she is indeed young and a product of her environment and I became needy and weak. You have to get over this arm candy business...its not the case here. I talk to other HB's to stay sane man...Im not going to give up completely on a girl I care for...a girl I love just because shes got mad issues. She hasn't done anything bad enough in my opinion to blackball her and shes reaching out. If it fizzles once again Ill move on but Im trying one more time now.

Update: I told her I couldn't hang out again today via text message and she immediately asked if we could see each other tomorrow. I told her I will try and will text her after work.

180 degree turn here guys...she is pushing back either to get back together or keep her hooks in me deep so I wont move on and she has me as an option....like I said before Im doing better then ever...just got back from Hollywood...number closed a HB10 model from germany and helped my 2 wings close the remainders...it felt good.

I have to agree on this. What good is a relationship that you have to "game in" if you can't really be you? Won't you be living a lie? Yeah I got my girlfriend by 'running game' (actually just being myself but with some techniques like Kino n shit), but if I'd have to game her now still, I wouldn't be in a real relationship, because she wouldn't be in love with ME, but with the guy I think she would want me to be.

I am still the guy she fell in love with because I never pretended to be someone else in the first stage of our interactions and relationship.
You don't have to be AFC to be open, and sometimes sensitive. You can still be alpha and be honest about your feelings. She will not run from you because you show her that you love her (with actions, not gifts). If it's true love, then she will love you for who you really are. If she doesn't, then why have an (emotional) relationship with her? Wouldn't it be so much better if you don't have to worry about passing tests, being 'in control', and shit like that that the theory junkies here all spit out? That's what a real relationship is about, being comfortable with eachother, being real and honest about things, without being needy and annoying. I am real with my girl, but if I think that saying something like "I don't like it when you go out with guyfriends" will make her think I don't trust her, I won't, because I do trust her, I just dont trust guys. You have to find the right balance, so that you don't stress out on certain things, but also don't make her stress out on certain things. I know the way she feels about me and I can see it by the way she looks at me and other things, so she deserves my trust. And if she would make a mistake and break my trust, then she isnt the one for me, and I will move on even though I would be hurt.

Be REAL with yourself, and with her.

I think this thread made you reflect on yourself greatly, and you've probably found out that you have some inner game issues. It's time to sort them out bro.

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“Every man dies - Not every man really lives.”

Wow dude! Nice 180

I called my girlfriend today to be just friends, she is coming to pick up her stuff at my place later today.

btw, I think jackb1900 is a good guy, he is just a little pessimistic at times. I do think he has got really good points. I think I need to listen to him or else I'm gonna get a lot more hurt.

Peace y'all

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Failure was never an option


Because girls don't like sex.. Yeah RIGHT!
Why else do you think girls have P*ssies

Who cares if you think I'm negative, and who gives a shit if other people on this forum have a problem with me. Most people have a problem with the TRUTH being pointed out to them from an objective point of view. You didn't buy her? You thought you were going to marry her? You would give up all worldly possessions to have that bliss back? Dude, do you even hear yourself writing this shit? There are tons of great women out there, and according to you, you close HB10's all the time. So why not just cut your losses after a year of spending your hard earned cash on a girl who hasn't given shit back except lies?

Going good? You are in the same place you were when this girl broke up with you, getting toyed with, falling for the "I love you's". No, what she loves is that you spend money on her, and I bet when you go out you are going to be the one buying the meals. This chick isn't independent, this chick isn't stable, this chick is a user, this chick has nothing to offer you. Move on, otherwise you are going to still be in this up and down bullshit 3 years from now.
Dude, get this through your head, GAME isn't a way to change who you are, GAME is a way of displaying who you are. What are you even talking about? She wouldn't of fallen for you if you hadn't touched her? Well no shit! She probably would of never known you were interested. I think a lot of you guys have no freaking clue about what the hell GAME means...
That is exactly right, I am the tough love here saving you from yourself. These women will use and abuse you, find someone who actually CARES for you, who actually loves you, not little girls who have no clue what they want from life.

We hung out, fooled around...same old shit. Jackb1900: you are indeed negative but I admit it is called for in regards to this situation. This girl needs pills prescribed by a professional...I do love her but this whole thing is going to have to end soon.

both Wulver's situation and what you said up there is almost eeriely similar to mine.

do you mind sharing what ended up happening?

I have also fallen for a distant ice maiden. On the outside she looks like she stepped out of a Jane Austen novel (surf model+netball player). She's a med student and a massive dork too. But despite all this, she is distant, emotionally confused and insecure. She's sometimes so intense but then withdraws for days at a time.

Right now we're going through our roughest patch. We've agreed to stay friends, but everytime we meet face to face, I get IOIs through the roof. But then she gets cold and distant again. I can't even freeze her out, since we've just started speaking again.

semi-old thread but i skimmed it at work while bored (this is pretty much the only time i post here is at work lol)

the Jack whatever guy that ppl say is pessimistic is the most accurate i think...
as well as the "the gaming stops when you are in it for real with one person" is also a good thing to think about but thats not correct...

gaming is just reframing how you present YOURSELF in a responsive and positive way......
NOT presenting someone else or someone else ideas or lies you can never live up to... the idea here is you ARE a good enough person for any of the girls you approach but due to social conditioning you need to break the barriers of our time or she will never know you for real...

that being said, RELATIONSHIP and GAMING are TWO separate topics....for sure. worshiping and telling a girl how hot she is for the first two years of your relationship will make her not like you as much... every so often after an amazing night with my gf.. ill randomly say "you're amazing... im so lucky" or ill throw one back for every 4 times she says that to me.. its not keeping score. but you should be intune with her to know when and how to say things properly....to maintain this sort of balance... my ex also supermodelishly good looking who I miss a lot... its only been a week... would complain i dont compliment her enough. but when i did shed want to marry me... literally.. and even have a baby... that night... shed want that... she melts.. shes used to ppl daily telling her shes gorgeous.. her ex's worshiped her... she always paid half... she got me more gifts... (i was kinda a dick in this way tho)

etc etc...... but the issues are also people that arent emotionally mature will NOT be able to deal wtih ppl that are... they will drive the latter NUTS and vice versa actually...

logically you(or she ) will KNOW they are making sense and the other person isn't..... but the other person believes this 100% as well... one usually blinded by emotion.. the other by logic....... and no way out... FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT.....

classic example....say you havent talked to your gf of a year for 24 hours..... thigns may be a lil rocky already... and she finally calls at 11:30pm

HER: hi.....
You: hi.....
HER: how come you never called or messaged me all day today... kinda rude
You: Ya? .......uhm.. babe..... why didnt YOU?!
HER: i just didnt think about it.....
You: yah... guess i didnt either....
HER: why are you a dick
You: why dont you see how ur not being fair here
HER: i think ive been more than trying lately.. and

deflection begin fight about something else .. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT...etc...... not compatible. at least not yet..
yes the sex might be amazing and the connection is there but somewhere there is a break down... emotionally.

this will NEVER work.. people can not change this at will... it is LEARNED..... she may very well be better for her next relationship after a few months because of this... but theres a good chance it wont be with you... sucks... such is life...


last point people SHOULD definitely consider when dealing with these traits aside from emotional immaturity is medical issues...

bipolar people are insanely difficult to deal with.. even mild ones... there WILL be extremes.... extreme LOVE... "i cant ever live without you, my life would suck if you ever left.. i want to marry you.. no one has ever made me feel like this before...no once could" this is usually after a good day or amazing sex...... then the next morning

"i cant talk now .. gotta get ready for work"
"but you have three horus
"well im busy ok:
"fuk you"
"whatever"

til later when shes crying again... like... bipolar is seriously a problem... im not even gonna get into the extreme anger... and jealousy... self explanatory... but mild bipolar or mental imbalances causes major stress on relationships. major.... and most of the time guys get caught up in thinking they being there will help it.. it wont... controlled by meds is the only way and she has to want to change.....otherwise she cant...

understand she cant.... if its medical she needs meds and maybe therapy.. if its immaturity she needs experience and time....

you cant give her ANY of these.. only a good time thats fleeting.. and ultimately wasting both of your time..... if shes younger or doesn't care as much about a future then shes technically wasting more of your time....

best thing is to say "i care about you and if you're ever in serious trouble, you can call me.. but you and i arent working and i want to move on now"

personally i cut them cold for at least 6 months... sometimes for good.... they usually HATE me for it at first and thank me for it later.. or hate me forever...but the forever one isnt very often....

i just rambled...
but my opinion on all the crap i read on this forum......

also i wholeheartedly disagree with the "thats how hb10's are here... you have to buy shit for them"

there are some fundamentals that are true of all girls.. wherever they are from..i would never mak ea girl my gf is she didnt offer to pay for shit right at the beginning.. or even expected gifts and shit...most "9's and 10's" ive been with go out of their way to try and pay for things.. i will allow or not depending on the situation but they do it to show they arent materialistic, can provide for themselvs and arent JUST ridiculously hot.....7's and 8's are more likely to take special SPAM to feel hotter or get what they can while they can.... etc. just my experience but i think thats true regardless of location... some girls are snobby materialistic bitches tho.. learned behaviors most likely.... some guys are complete arrogant ignorant pricks....as well.