I just learned guitar not too long ago, actually..I'm still learning. Music is a passion of mine for the same reason crack heads smoke crack. It calms me. I express emotions through music. If i'm pissed, i'll write about it, if im chill, i'll write about it, if im in love, i'll write about it. blah blah blah. I'm broading my horizons by learning an instrument. Plus, chicks dig a man who can serenade them. Good?

Lucidity, thats perfect (i wouldn't use the drug reference personally). The whole thing with DHV's is talking about something emotionally and passionatly while trying to hit value spikes or attraction swithes.

Some examples of DHV spikes that trigger attraction switches are:
"Alpha male"
"The ability to look after her and her children, financially and otherwise"
"Socially competent"
"Many friends (social status)"
"pre-approved by other females"
"intelligent"
"Confident"
"Funny"
"Leader of men"
"Has standards when comes to women"
"Many girlfriends"
"Discreet (doesnt kiss and tell, if you two do things it wont get out)"
"adventurous / risk taker"
"ambitious - having goals and dreams"

Those are the sort of things you need to get into stories you tell, think of all the experiences of your life and try to think of times when you have done something to show one or a few of those characteristics.

Hope that helps.
Madals

A lot of people ask about what books they should read. Here is my suggestions on the best way to start. It is important that you don't just read but go out and use what you are learning, no book can teach you as well as what you can learn in real interactions.

Firstly - The Mystery Method - Mystery. This book has a good outline, good information and some look into the psychology of things. There is a big downside to this book though.... it is very easy to treat it as the bible of pick up. Everything you read you should take on, but rather than doing exactly what it says try to understand why it works and just take what works for you rather than following exactly. For example, the M3 model (a1-3, c1-3, s1-3) is good, but no social interaction can be that structured.

As soon as you have finished the MM, read - The Secrets to the alpha man, Carlos Xuma. This book has everything you need to know about body language and all that sort of thing. I cannot stress just how important it is to have good non-verbal communication and the right attitude. This book is fantastic.

The 3rd book to read at the start (so as soon as you have finished the other 2) is Conversational jujitsu, by Juggler. This is the best book for "outter" game. It will really help you get your conversation skills up.

When you have finished those and had about a 1-2 months worth of going out and getting some results then you have one more book to read. I strongly suggest you wait before reading this next book because if you read it before you have had 1-2 months of in field you wont gain as much from it. If you are really dedicated after your first months before reading the following, re-read the first 3. You will pick up things you missed the first time and actually be able to relate to the things in the books and gain a lot.

The 4th book to read after you re-read the first 3 1-2months later is:
The Attraction Code, Vin Dicarlo. This covers it all in a very natural way. It is an utterly amazing book. However to gain the most from it you need to have infield experience and have read the other 3. I cannot stress how good The Attraction Code is and how important it is you read the other 3 first and wait until you have 1-2 months of infield experience before reading it!!

Hope this helps.
Madals

I'll add to madal's list with gunwitch, READ AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE! However gunwitch and MM both have heir limiting beliefs which contradict one another, so take each book with your own measure.

And speed seduction, yeah it's old but it's a very simple breakdown of early PU and NLP, which gives you a helpful background view of PU.

But be warned, you do not need to pile through books to get good, honestly my learning process here was.

70:30 = Sarging:Reading

I was thinking about how i was going to go about my first time trying to pick somebody up and firstly i wanted to know how you go about picking somebody up for example:

*Start with an opener
*Gauge everybody into the conversation and multiple thread with different conversations
*use kino if you can see indications of interest
*Use indications of higher value but also remember to compliment the girl when necessary
*If in a set ask if you can borrow her for a minute so you can isolate her and go for the kiss / number if you want to do it alone

Is there really a step by step way of doing this?

Secondly, do you need to change your personality to be a pick up artist? because it seems like you need to do a lot of changing before you can get good.

Thirdly, which way is best to hint that you like the girl whether its online, over the phone or in person?

Lastly, what do you think the youngest age somebody would be for these pick up techniques would work?

1. Their are a million different ways to approach PU, for linear step by step methidology then take a look at mystery method, be warned however it does contain certain limiting beliefs and flaws.

2. It's not about creating a new personality thats just unhealthy but rather... ...building on a new one, this community has alot to do with development sexual, emotional, manneristical (if thats a word) heck even spiritual to an extent.

You are right thinking PU is about who you are, and in this community you will change..... and most likely for the better.

3. I'm 18, and I consider myself young for this, honestly as girls get older their sexuality tends to become a bot more complex, most HS chicks are concerned primarily with looks and social status, where as a young profesional, may be alot more responsive to the "attraction switches" etc

I have no idea what the youngest age is, and personaly I feel iffy about people under 16 learning game, considering sex is a big part of the founding of the community I find it a bit strange that their are members who can't legally get laid.

But hey thats just me.

Any specefic questions?

Um, i dont have any more specific questions any more and thanks for the opinions :]

the only thing on my mind is i still feel like i need to change a bit more and learn better things to say before i can be a good PUA.

Good luck then!

And it's not about saying things... it's about being things. (Y)

Hey guys, I've got a problem about how to progress with a particular woman. I've posted the info in another thread. If you could take a look and give me some feedback, I'd appreciate it!

have-i-lost-my-chance-yet-vt41109.html

She's into you.

The problem with meeting you is genuine.

She is attracted and comfortable with you, thats why she unloaded so much on you if it was a friends speech she would not have included the other details that you implied she included. However the "I've lead guys on" sounds iffy.

Personally, I'd say don't worrry about it, just roll with it for now.

However you run the risk of a stalemate relationship, so get another meet up soon in order to cement this relationship on the physical side.

Basic lesssons.

1. Sometimes denied day 2's are genuine.

2. Her disclosing information is generally a good sign, as long as you can maintain sexual tension/attraction etc

3. Day 2's provide the easiest way to an enviroment for progressing a relationship.

Good luck mate (Y)

Thanks Fin!

Problem is, I angled for a Day 2 and it didn't go to plan. She said no, quite quickly. I didn't read the signs right, perhaps. It does seem strange, though.

Hey!

I know that the people who surround you greatly affect your social worth, that it displays lots of DHV, alpha status, pre-selection, all sorts of shit. BUT:

I usually prefer to be alone with a girl, and part of this probably relates to the fact that my friends don't really exude any social worth....at all... When I meet girls with them, I don't feel like I can perform to the best of my ability and I spend half the set hoping they don't blurt something incredibly AFC-ish (and very often they do).

Many people suggest finding wingmen via this website, etc. I'm not OPPOSED to wingmen, but I'm just not immediately comfortable with the notion of meeting up with complete strangers just to get each other women. Finally, when I meet a girl, even if I am "gaming" her, I like to feel as if it's my own doing, and I'm not relying on a dude to come over and qualify me to her.

I do not mean to come of as selfish or stubborn. I am committed to the mutual help and support of the community and I try to contribute as much as I possibly can to help others... it's just that when it comes to being in the field, I prefer to be alone.

My question is: Can I game as effectively alone? About 75% of my game is day game when traveling with a pack wouldn't seem appropriate in the first place. Maybe this is counter-intuitive, but isn't there something "attractive" about a guy who displays a self-sufficient vibe? I'm only 18, and I often get the impression that when I meet a girl while grocery shopping alone or studying alone etc., she is impressed by this maturity.

If I dress sharp enough and act confident enough, maybe this can compensate for the social value I'm losing by not having wingmen/socially valuable friends/women at my side?


Thanks SO much for all your contribution!

Can you game effectively alone, yes. That's the short answer.
Before I answer further, could you explain:
Why you think your friends are AFC?
Have you ever subtly tried to help your friends be better?
Why don't you make some new friends?
Are all your friends male?

Social status can be shown in other ways, but actually having it shown by people there an then is a lot easier. Also having friends with you stops the "weird guy out to meet women" a little. The other advantage of having some friends around is you don't have women thinking you'll be clinging to them because you have nothing else to do straight away and also make approaching a whole group easier.
I think you will notice the theme of my last sentence was having a solid group of people just makes things easier, like I originally said, sarging along is more than possible.
Anyway, answer the questions in my post since it will help me understand where your coming from better.
Madals

hey madals,

my friends are AFC-ish because... most of them arent interested in meeting girls or are too insecure to legitimately consider it. they spend most of their days farting and playing video games. im not looking down on this; half the time im there with them! but this is literally all they aspire to. i have tried extensively to get them to join me. in fact, after months of trying, one has even gotten very interested in sarging - i got him working out, helped him with clothing style, etc. but even that one friend goes to a different school, making our sarging schedules very staggered.

my friends are almost all male, and the female friends i do have would not be interested in being a pivot. this i do my best to compensate for by approaching girls when im taking care of my 12 year old brother! (this works brilliantly). as for making new friends, i am trying, but to be honest im just so much more preoccupied in meeting women!

thanks for the help man

Right, if thats all your friends do I can see why you might not want them around however, if you honestly like them and they are (i assume) a large part of your life then how would you answer the question from a women "where are your friends then?". If you tell her they are a bunch of losers, you just DLVed yourself. If you make something up that they are all off without you, you just DLVed yourself. Still thats a bit aside from the point solo sarging is probably going to be your best option.
I would however go out with a few female and male friends, they dont have to be aware they are pivots because they dont actually have to do anything. Think of it from the womens eyes (this is a very good trick to work out what she is thinking by the way) - If you saw a guy with 2-3 guys and 3-4 girls around him and they are all following him having a good time etc, do any of those friends need to say anything to make you think better of the guy?

Right, now lets really get onto business, let me pull out a line of your post: Have you ever heard the expression trying to put the roof on the house before laying the foundations? This (at least in my opinion) is what your doing here. Again go back to think of it from a women's perspective, what do you show to her. You are a guy who focuses his social life on meeting women, that makes you a) a risk you'll go off with another girl or b) Cling on to her like a leach trying to get in with her social circle.
I know that is an extreem example but I hope you can understand that is how a women could (and probably will) view things unless you interact perfectly. If I was you I would seriously be considering my priorities as Women > friends.

Anyway, as I promised I will answer you original question fully now. There is defiantly something attractive about your confidence! Its great to hear that you have it so keep it up. There is however a downside to coming into a set and very quickly showing how fantastic you are, if you do something wrong you have further to fall. Personally I can see the two main area's you are going to have to be confident handeling in your game while your out alone:
1) Not being needy. It will be very easy when alone to come across as being needy. This is where you need to think about things in terms of value, what value do you want from her and what value are you giving back. If you go up to 3 women and start talking you are gaining the value of being around them and their group - something you didn't have before. Always keep in your mind what your giving back - nobody likes someone who only takes.
2) Linked to the first, Clingy. Without a group of friends with you the women will be wondering how she will get rid of you if things dont go well. If you had a group of friends she could very politely say "oh, I shouldn't be keeping you from your mates and I have to get going now". If you approach a women on the street you need to very quickly convey (verbally or non-verbally) that you aren't planning on sticking around for more than 5 mins. People who are out at the shops or on the street are normally going somewhere and have things to do, they dont have time to stand talking to a guy they just meet for 30mins (unless its a better option than what they had before, but they wont know that until 5 or so mins into your interaction).

If you keep those two "danger" area's in check while out alone you should be very successful.
Feel free to ask more or something more specific, I am sure Fin will want in on this considering he mainly does solo day game.
Madals