I agree the subject of "date rape" is a good topic to add to "worthwhile post"

But not this particular post. Use your imagination pretrend a girl wrote something similar to what dieselfuel said below after knowing she just been drugged and potentially raped there's no way she'd be sticking around eating food talking bout how good the food was and engaging in more sexual activities with the rapist from my opinion after reading this and the way it was presented seems like more of a bragging rant than informative and highly unbelievable that is all.

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OK LISTEN! THERE HAS OBVIOUSLY BEEN SOME MISCONCEPTION!!!!!

1st of all: When I told the girl "suck my dick," it was because she wouldn't damn shut-up, I wasn't asking for a sexual favor.

2nd: I DO NOT KNOW WHY I WAS DRUGGED!!! I NEVER SAID THAT THESE GIRLS WANTED A FOURSOME.

IDK, only a few of you seem to be missing the point here. I do not care if anyone believes me or not, if every one of you called me a liar but left your computers more aware of this potential date rape situation, then I am satisfied with the post.

RAISING AWARENESS IS ALL I WANT!

The story is a big way of telling you all that this DOES HAPPEN, I wouldn't wish this experience on my worst enemies. Nobody deserves to feel the way I felt that night...NOBODY.

Believe what you want about my story, but please believe that something like this may happen to you one day

I'm really sorry you had to go through this! It is really wrong to drug someone. Did she smoke from the same klonopin-laced bong, or did she just make you smoke it?

It sounds like you had an allergic reaction to the drug. Also, this girl was really dumb to mix downs. If you mix stuff like xanax, valium, klonipin, sleeping pills, etc., -- with alcohol -- the combination can be lethal. Same goes with opiate-class downs like methadone, vicodin, percocet, oxy's, etc. A family friend OD'd on this combo last year and the girl that gave him the drugs went to court over it (she was accused of causing the accidental death).

I am just happy you lived.

The thing about drugs and alcohol is that in moderation, a mixture like yours can feel great. But too much (and I recall you said you'd had more to drink than her), can be lethal and poisonous. The way you describe your physical condition the next day, it sounds like you were seriously poisoned.

Dude i have had my drink spiked before by some gurl and ended up in a bad state, i wasent abused or anything, but woke up not being able to remember half the night and pretty ill - which def wasent to do with drink.

I think the problem here is that this issue is REALLY serious which you seem to be admiting yourself.

However the kinda attitude u adopted was "oh well i got spiked, possibly raped.. but never mind cos she made me breakfast and sucked my dick the next day.."

Where as most dudes would be like "i dont care how long ive know the gurl, or how much i liked her that isnt right what happened and phoned the cops/or went to the hospital to get checked"

For all you know while you were out cold a team of ten dudes could have showed up paid the gurls and done anything to you..

So most guys in ur position would be scared shitless i think, where as you dont seem concerned which is throwing jeopardy onto the whole story.

A real alpha male sees everyone he doesn't know yet as equals.

This means that if someone comes to speak to you, you don't immediatily jump on conclusions about his/her looks. You wait and see.

Its just like if someone tells you some shit about someone other, you will basically say "let me be the judge if he/she is going to be my friend or not."


If you treat someone other really low classy with no apparent reason, it will send the exact wrong signals of you being a leader.

And again, if you treat someone other really good with no apparent reason, it will send the exact wrong signals of you being a leader.

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there we go, your last post of w/e about that was a little unclear and sounded a little AFC without the explanation

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Nice to get someone with some decent knowledge of the mixes that took place in this situation, definitely shed some extra light on things for me. Sounds exactly like what this girl did was just try to get Diesel nice and high and have a good time with him, but unfortunately being young (and apparently somewhat stupid; hey we all go through some stupid crap in our lives, but this is kinda pushing it when you almost kill someone) she miscalculated and poisoned him. As I said, I truly do not believe that this was a malicious act, merely a severe mistake.

I know this wasn't easy for you Diesel and I again want to thank you very much for sharing this incident with us, because I know people that have been drugged, both guys and girls, BY both guys and girls, so it's always good to be reminded of the dangers and kept aware of new ones so we stand a better chance of staying safe out there. You sound like a big boy though (not patronizing btw) and I bet you've seen your share of parties, cause I sure know I have; I don't come here all "preachy" about the crazy shit that people get into and cutting people some slack for no reason, I'VE BEEN AROUND THE BLOCK A FEW TIMES.

I got back from a music festival just last week, where the main source of entertainment aside from the music, is every single drug you could ever name, dream up, or have nightmares of and a few that I didn't even know exist (this was my 3rd time going too, so as I've said, I've been around, but I still run into new scary/interesting situations as well). I ran the risk of getting taken advantage of by people, I shared some smokables with random people in the name of spreading peace and love (yes Chief, I was having a good time at my "hippy fest" ) and I understand the ramifications of such acts. I also understand that I made it out ok, yet I have heard stories about a lot of other people over the years that weren't so lucky and that did end up being raped, or spiked with something that turned their fun party night into a never ending hell and they woke up swollen and feeling like the living death.

Like I said, you sound like a big boy, I consider myself to be a big boy and at one point a group of us were lying down on the beach in the early morning hours talking about variuos things, including the validity of our own lives. I said to the group, that if I were to die for some reason on that night (yeah, I was thinking of unforseen badness occurring, because in my state I too could have been easily taken advantage of), that I would be ok and at peace with that. I consider this to be a bit of a risk/reward relationship, where when you decide to indulge in that area of life, or are forced to against your own will in some circumstances, there is a definite risk of things turning out poorly for you and those odds can only go up with the more risky business you get into. The reward side of it though, is that you may have a lot of fun, you may have some experiences you never would be able to concieve of otherwise (never seen anything as beautiful in my life as a huge night sky with shooting stars falling down, as it changes from pink, to orange, to purple, to gold in cascading waves and the description doesn't even begin to do it justice). The best way to look at it, is pretty much how Phaedra laid it out; any event that you can walk away from and that you aren't permanently broken from (sometimes even that can teach a person something beyond value though), is an experience that you can learn and grow from.

I hope you won't be too hard on the girls, because although they fucked up and they messed with your life, remember it wasn't intended to be a malicious act. As both myself and my friend Psylight said, the girls were probably damn terrified as well, I mean if you look at it from their perspective, you're gonna get some amazing insight into the human condition and learn some interesting little foibles; they were just expecting to have a crazy hell of a party (be careful what you wish for) and instead they almost kill a guy, they see you hit the dirt like a sack of shit and swell up, so they do their best to try and take care of you to make up for their transgressions. They were obviously very sorry and remorseful, hopefully THEY learned an important lesson and won't give anyone anything that they haven't already ok'd going into their body.

I hope you won't be too hard on yourself either. I know when I've made some mistakes and gotten into some bad circumstances, I blame the people that hurt me first, but then I blame myself for allowing them to hurt me. We're all only human, which is what I've been trying to get across to certain other posters in this thread. We HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE OUR OWN MISTAKES. I was constantly warned of dangers by my parents growing up and I pissed them off a great deal when I told them one time that I had to learn by making my own mistakes, just as they had learned from making theirs; everyone wants to protect their child from harm, yet without that risk of danger, are we truly living, are we truly learning, are we truly getting out of life what we hope to, in our potentially one and only pass through existence. One of my most oft used quotes (and any student I have taught will recognize it, as it was a lesson I learned when I first took steel fabrication in college and it has been a perspective altering one for me, that I will never forget) is, "Make mistakes. Fail; because you will learn more from your mistakes than you EVER will from your successes". I guarantee it.

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wowwww...that is all i can say

major respect man for sharing it, never for once thought of it happening to a guy but that was truely mystery styled being a leader of men telling us.

I AM kinda sensitive about people taking light of other people's lives, you are right. Congratulations for realising that the internet is not always as it seems and people often try to mislead others for their own amusement, that's quite the accomplishment and I'm sure any 8 year old kid that I've had the pleasure of interacting with on certain other forums and that managed to put me in my place with their intelligence, would agree with you on. Here however, we like to try and hold ourselves to a higher ideal and you can believe that greater than 90% of the users on this forum are legitimate in what they say (although often misguided and missinformed about what actually went on, hence why they post here, so that we can point out the judgement mistakes they made and guide them towards becoming more socially apt), because they truly do want to become better men. I think you should keep this concept in mind as you continue reading this post.
Believe it or not, I actually pride myself on my innocence. The post I made directly above spoke of my adventures at a music festival, where on on night when the sky sparkled with an exceptional beauty, I pointed out the ludicrous things in the world around us, for when I'm on a bender I tend to philosophize like the devil, perhaps why I was so outspoken last night. I was commended by many a person that had gathered around to listen to a mad man rave about the inadequecies of of the world and how with all the time, effort and money people spend on the pursuit of bigger toys and more happiness, I was having far more fun and entertaining the whole lot of them (I had a fairly sizeable crowd I must admit) with my favorite toys in the whole world: a $48 with shipping and handling, set of colour changing LED juggling balls, that shine and shimmer like nothing you could imagine (at least on nights like those, hehe).

I am indeed innoccent and I suffer for it on many an occassion, which is why, when someone else comes forward and bares their own innoccence, as Diesel has done, I welcome them with open arms. I also consider myself somewhat of a poet with prose and it would behoove you to realise I speak with passion and not anger, nor naivety.
Sure it does, when you phrase your skepticism poorly. If you'll notice, one of my very first posts in this thread questioned the validity of it and whether or not he was attention whoring. I believe I did it with a little more tact than you though and I hope you can learn and grow from the experience. I have not always been the well worded and tactful diplomat, I have had books thrown in my face by girls in the middle of class, I have been called cocky and an asshole; yet by the good fortune I've had, I found myself in a community of men that encourages us to learn from our mistakes, with the intent that in the future we will perform better under similar circumstances.

I chastize you not out of hatred or uncaring, but because I DO care. That's right bud, I'm posting this for YOUR benifit, because I care about YOUR growth and development. I'm not posting this for my own satisfaction and enjoyment (although I do enjoy the act of helping others, such as yourself along their way), I'm posting this because you've voiced your desire to learn and I hope to participate in that experiene if you let me.

I learned an amazing lesson from Randy Pausch (R.I.P great sir, I am a better man for your passing) when I watched his Last Lecture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji5_MqicxSo . He gave a quote from one of his football coaches as a kid, after a particularly grueling day of practice, during which the coach rode him excessively hard. The coach came up to him and said, "Coach rode you pretty hard today huh? That's GOOD. When you're doing something wrong and no one is bothering to tell you anymore, that's a bad place to be. It means they gave up on you. Your critics are the ones that are telling you they still love you and care." So don't take the things myself, or any of the other members that counter your ideas, as being hateful (generally speaking and when not, be the bigger man, we'd prefer not to fight), but as messages of kindness, attempting to help you along your path to self betterment (sounds like that's what you're doing if you're not here to manipulate women, but instead to "learn as much as you can"). Unfortunately sometimes kindness comes in the form of tough love, such as when the parent hurts their child by yanking them off the street before being hit by a car; the parent is trying to save the kid's life, yet without stepping back from the situation, he only see his mom trying to rip his arm out of it's socket. Learn to step back and see the purpuse underneath.

First off, poor taste criticising my spelling man. I write some long as fucking posts, I write quickly, it was late, I was tired, I was intoxicated and I mispelled one bloody word. Perhaps as I was urging you to do for the OP, you could cut ME some slack too and anyone else who happens to make the occassional spelling or grammatical error; we don't all have english degrees and as you obviously understood what I meant, I see you reason why I should have to run my posts through a spell checker for you.

This is plausable and if you knew as much about cold reading people as I do, then you'd be able to see the sincerity and notice that there are next to no plot holes, or gloatings (you took his statement of the environment as being gloating, that's how you interpretted it, but not how it was intended, he was fact giving so that we could paint a picture in our heads and live the event with him), which are prevalent in fabricated events. I used to make quite the habit of lying, I took it to an artform in some instances and even with careful and studious effort into making a story seamless, it is impossible to make a fake story flawless. I also refuse to believe someone would post a thread that is about warning other people; waste the time creating the perfect story and then vehemently defend it, repeatedly, all the while never bragging, or trying to sound cool, for sheer amusement's sake. Don't believe me though, that's cool, I'm NOT always right (thank god, that would be fucking boring), so ask some other members with decent cold reading skills, such as Hobbit, Chief (guy is scary, I could see him being an icon some day in the community, hella talented, especially at his age and one of the most sincere sounding people I've seen on the forum, I'm proud to have him as the new site admin, even though he's been a mod the shortest of us all and he is the youngest of us all; not that either are skill determining circumstances, some people just have a knack), Roads (I see talent in the guy, whether he sees it in himself or not), Dalziel, or two of our new mods Ace_of_Spades and Locke, as they are all quite respectable.

You posted skepticism and I made a statement of my intent to work against people intent on trivializing posts that are made in a serious tone. I like having fun as much as the next guy, I admit one of my guilty pleasures is voicing MY skepticism of someone's story, then poking holes through it, in the search for the underlying truth. Just as I did in this thread, actually. I voiced skepticism on several points and then after digging out some truth, I saw the worth of it; I did not however climb up on a podium and yell "bullshit".
I agree, a real man shouldn't lie to get women; manipulation isn't right and I think if you polled the forum (fuck it, I'll do it for you, key an eye out for the thread, I bet it'll be a hit) you'll find that the VAST majority of the value contributing members of this forum, would agree with us. I'm glad to see that you value the lives of others and don't want to manipulate them in order to serve your own needs, that sort of thing sickens me tbh.

Most of us came to these conclusions a long time ago, it's not new to the community, but please help us spread the message, we're always happy to have more people to fight the good fight. If you look search for posts with the words "3rd generation PUA" in them, you will almost always find a subsequent reference to how the community has become more dedicated to all around self improvement, life enhancement and other well intentioned ideals, rather than the previously known group of men bent on banging as many blonde bimbos as they could jam their dicks into.
Nope, course not, although I just remembered that I was recently given this sweet power, by our new site admin, thanks for that. I'd like to think that I earned the right to wield this power. I've put a lot more time into this forum than many other members here, I confess I've become addicted to the study of human psychology and this is how I get my fix. I love this forum though, I truly do. I think it thrives best when people are able to discuss and debate ideas freely, without restriction and especially when ideas are in contrast and opposition; it makes for interesting conversation and is often enlightening (I know I've enjoyed this thread, I hope you have too).

We grow and push our boundries further when we are faced with oppositing forces, much like how muscles increase in strength when you lift ever increasing amounts of weight. I'm happy to welcome you to the boards with your views that differ from mine, because as I alluded to previously; I love to be proven wrong, I love to see the world from someone else's perspective, I just wish the saying were true and the grass WAS always greener on the other side, because far too often I see people with negative feelings and intent, sometimes not even directed at anywhere, 'cept at life in general and I learn a lesson much more surely when it comes from making a mistake than from succeeding.

I think you should take your own advice and not jump to conclusions about who I am and what my "type" is. I think you'll have a hard time lumping me in with many other people, I have been told by more people than I can count that I am weird, different, unusual, unexplainable, unique and not like anyone that they have ever met before in their lives. Part of that is my positive outlook and good intentions towards others, so I take offense when you insinuate that I treat women poorly, as well as as a feminist (that's right, fuckers, betcha didn't see that one coming! ). I told my buddy Psylight just last night as a matter of fact, that if someone wanted to find out who I am, then the best place they could start would be by reading everything I've ever written on here, as I've poured my heart and soul out, some of which was so profoundly personal to me, that I have it hidden away in an area of the forum that you have to pay for, known as the PMZ, which has recently been reactivated for anyone interested in joining, or be granted free access by the mods recommendation, so that your casual viewer won't stumble across it (keep making great posts and perhaps I'll see what I can do to get you in down the road); so if you want to get a better idea of who I am and witness my true intents, then please feel free to read the several thousand posts, that I've made here, some other crazy bastards have and that was quite a shock to me, as well as quite flattering.

If you still think I spoke with anger, I think you should go back and re-read my posts in this thread again. I think I've been pretty level headed and analytical, not rash or angry *pats self on back*.

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...this is why I'm careful not to get into deep conversations with Rye unless I have a lot of free time...

Bonita21 is surprised that you would post about the time when she drugged you. Everyone watch out for her; she's craaaaazy! I also heard she's pretty big on the streets for pushin and dealin.

My mommy told me to stay away from her.

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How did you know I would read this lol

I hope we don't end up with a hippie infestation like in that one South Park episode... or else I'd have to exercise my authoritah...or blast my Slayer album

To the OP, thank you for posting this and raising some awareness. Even though I have never been drugged or date raped, I can understand how ANYONE, regardless of sex/gender, could feel after going through something like that. Your rights were not respected and you were forced to give up any control you had over the situation. That's never a good thing and could very well be traumatic. We all should be careful when we are around any substances, even if it's common alcohol.

I have no doubt in my mind that your story could be completely possible. Women's minds are full of fantasies that are just dying to manifest into reality. And, as Chef from South Park says, "There's a time and place for everything, and it's called college." You never know if that college girl you are gaming watches South Park.

I have no doubt in my mind that your story could be completely possible. Women's minds are full of fantasies that are just dying to manifest into reality. And, as Chef from South Park says, "There's a time and place for everything, and it's called college." You never know if that college girl you are gaming watches South Park.[/quote]

Funny because I'm starting college this Monday. Anyways, here is what I have been waiting for. Since I got you all so involved in this, I would find it unfair if I did not update you.

UPDATE: After the doctors visit (and a 2hour wait) I gave a blood specimen for an STD test. "hannah," the girl who drugged me did show up today as well as her friend, the girl I kicked off the bed did not show, they also took the same test and Hannahs friend offered to pay the bill. Hannah explained...basically what I thought she would shit out of her mouth, that I HAD NOT BEEN RAPED the reason that I was naked was because I was "overheating and sweating like a football player," The doctor did confirm that it is possible to overheat on such a heavy drug overdose. I was slipped almost 4 milligrams of Klonopin, the usual dose for a guy my size is 1 milligram. I also took a drug test for proof if I take this to court. I will not know if that tests positive for a week or two. But I know I will test positive for that drug.

After the tests were through, in th parking lot, I calmly asked "hannah," why I had been drugged. After all, rape did not fit into this story, I was about to fuck her anyways.

Hannah answered basically, that several men she had slept with in the past really enjoyed the sensation of...well whatever that feeling was. I don't believe her, I believe that she slept with a lot of drug addicts, but her explanation doesn't fly with me.

I told her that what she did was painful, mentally and physically. Seriously, somewhere in the conversation she offered to buy me beer. wtf. She also said something to this effect "Listen, you are a really sweet guy and I can't explain how sorry I am... I really want to make all this up ... I want to show you that I am a really nice person... It really was a mis-understanding..."

She went on ONE of the most pathetic rants in all of natural creation. But I couldn't help but feel a little sorry for her, I hate seeing girls in pain. I totally had the room to shit all over her today, then I remembered an old saying "The big men prove their size, by how they treat the little people."
I was more civilized to that complete whore than I should have been.

Today I was offered: another BJ, money, beer, weed, dinner. After insulting her last act of oral sexery, I denied the favors.
Anyways as pissed as I am at her, She is a rather friendly person, or a really good actress. I don't know what to think of the whole situation.
I told her there may be a chance for us to be cool, not friends, but cool in the future if I don't have the drip or something. She assured me that I was not sexually molested or raped, and claims to be disease-free.

Oh one more note, my old friend, the one who' party I was at. Well he was arrested for DUI, he went on a beer run for the "after party." That explains where he was.

I see wedding bells in you and Hannah's future.

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