You'll do good bro. I can tell you got a good head on those shoulders. Stick to it no matter what she says or promises. Be alpha and be you!

Second off, age is just a number. It literally has no representation of a person's life or personality. I am only 21 but I think I am pretty wise and knowledgeable. And tbh, I always date younger girls. They do more stuff

Damn, you're only 21? Would have had you pegged for mid 20's.

I act tough right now, and I can tell where my mind's at, but I also haven't physically seen her in 8 days, or had sex in 10. Looking back I can see so many times where I gave power away without good reason. It's like, if I'm having sex with a girl, it gives me mental permission to spoil them with time and gifts/food/dates/etc. Really, I should probably not act much different (perhaps be a LITTLE nicer) after the relationship is decidedly sexual, instead of being like "OMG a hot girl I must do everything to keep her interested". It's definitely a long road... this is only year 1 of the game for me. Wish I'd gotten into PUA a long time ago.

Maybe for a lack of options, but for the longest time I've always dated younger too. Mental maturity varies quite a bit, I've experienced. Not to mention, big titties on young girls haven't had a chance to sag yet

Hidden camera? Fuck that shit. Low quality.

If you decide to fuck her again, here is your plan:
1. Set a camera near your bed or wherever you plan on fucking.
2. Once you're plowing the bitch's cunt, pull out the camera and start filming. She's less likely to object because she's enjoying herself.
3. If she objects, warn her you'll stop fucking her. If she still objects, stop and kick her out of your place.

If she walks out, tell yourself you'll have overpowered her... And you are in full control. Like a baws.

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Before she can respect you, you need to respect yourself.

Haha that's a fucking awesome idea, definitely going to do that.

Still going for hidden cam first, in case she objects. Damn, I'll have to fuck her at least two more times now... hah.

For the record, no word from her today. Tomorrow's another day, though...

My apologies, it's big news in the UK so assumed everyone knew what I meant:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile

Fuck consent, consent is for AFC's

Where he say dat?
My guess is late 20's/early 30's

Quadruplepost.

Winnahh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, it was two nights ago since I sent my last text, and still no contact from her either. I was really tempted to hit her up this afternoon, but refrained. Instead, I went through my text log and did a tally out of boredom

Number of times I proposed plans - 14
She accepted them - 8
Number of times she proposed plans - 19
I accepted them - 13

I'm sticking to not contacting her, just wanted to share that today my willpower almost broke. My legitimate motives for contact are to 1) get my money back because I'm paranoid she'll spend it and 2)tell her in person about the AMOG shit I made this topic from. At present, it's been 9 days since I've physically seen her, trying to hang in there. Re-reading my old texts, I can see numerous times where I compromised plans with other people to see her. Whether I cut her out yet or not (I still want my 60 bucks back!) I really really really need to regain the control.

Nice to hear an update man. Please keep them coming. Daily if you want to.

Your willpower will definitely sway a bit from hour to hour. One hour you want to text her really bad and the next hour you fucking hate her for all the shit she has pulled and you let it slide. It is totally natural. Coming on this forum really helps to release that tension in a healthy way without blowing up at her and ruining all progress. Especially cause this is a no-hate forum with no judging or attacking. Just help and support for our brothers in game!

I know its tough, but you gotta stay strong man. You are doing great. Just don't get weak and break NC. If you feel the need, come on the forum and read our convo, and that will help you. As well, post about it like you just did and we can talk it out. i will help you along the way to keep you up and in power.

First, she will probably have 60 dollars at some point in her life. Do you need it right now? Highly unlikely that you NEED it. Will she spend it? She already has and you know it. But you can get it back whenever, who cares. Don't use the money as a pitiful excuse to break NC.

Second, stop looking at your phone man. That shit is not the best idea. You know what is? GO OUT. Game other girls or just hang with some bros. Go to a concert or a comedy night with your best bro and just fucking chill. You gotta get out of this funk. You can do it!!

Thanks for the support, man. I need all I can get right now. There's a mix of cycles, as you say, between wanting her, and then I just want someone, then I just want to be alone. The money, no, I don't NEED it, of course I don't... if I did, I wouldn't have lent it. She went home and worked over the break (she's normally pretty broke) so I wanted to get it before she did spend it. However, you're right, I can get it back any time, and if she is a bitch about getting it back to me then all the more motivation that cutting her out is a good thing.

The fact that it's been this long without her wanting to hang out just proves to me that I'm not that important to her. Looking at my phone... yeah you know the feeling, every time you get a text the first thought is "is it her?" and I know that ain't healthy. At least I can accept that there's a problem.

Trying to fill my life with other shit now, doing what I can I guess. A lot of my old friends I've disconnected with after I quit drinking, so I don't have much in the way of "bros" so to speak. My two "best friends" right now are both girls, actually... one that friendzoned me (a best friend of 3 years now - HB9) and another that I friendzoned (HB7). The former came over for about 4 hours last night, and the latter is coming to stay the night within the hour, she always comes over on Wednesdays. She's a nice girl, but as my landlord's virgin daughter I want to keep it platonic at the risk of drama... with her, it'd be relationship or platonic, no inbetween shit like all the other girls.

You're right about finding a concert or something fun and interesting to do. Going to try and hang out with my bros some more. Did a bunch of pull-ups today. Exercise always helps. It's fucked up. I should have known this would happen, it's almost the same feeling as when she broke up with me in the first place. Like I was just there out of convenience. She's like a fucking drug. Appeals to that "need to be hero" instinct in me. But no matter what, regardless of the nature of my relationship with her, I absolutely know that I have to keep NC.

Think I'm going to cut down on actively gaming. When I'm built up and confident, I can handle the rejection, but right now I can tell this shit is affecting me too much. Like you (and others would agree) just get busy with my own life, go out, do fun shit, hang out with friends. Stop trying to fill this "need a girlfriend" mentality gap. Because that's what I've degraded to.

That is the exact mind set i was in afterwards as well. I didn't even miss my exgf, I just missed having someone around to hangout with, talk to, and fuck. I missed a gf, not my gf. It took me about a month to figure that out. Then about another month to figure out that I didnt need a gf to be happy. I have no gf right now, I have a FWB and a FB but no gf, and I am very happy with my life. Its been 8 months and I still think about her all the time but now its not missing her its just remembering my life.

You are doing great. It is tough but you gotta keep it up. Just remember the bad stuff. Take up a new hobby and try something new. I personally downloaded a demo version for FL Studio 10 and learned how to create my own electro house songs. It was a blast and helped me forget about her. Good luck man. Give me an update soon

At the 72 hour mark now, of no contact. I hung out with one of my guy friends for a bit today, then got some motivation and cooked myself a real dinner and did some housework.

Trying to make plans with friends and fill up my schedule, so to speak. If she contacts me, I want to already have plans to be busy. I would like to confront her at least once in person, to get my money back and say a few things - bringing up the disrespect in the OP mainly. I won't do anything like offer ultimatums, or do/say anything to appear weak or needy, just busy and uninterested in spending time with her. I won't actively cut her out, but rather just fade off the map. Now that I've gotten to know her real personality over these last few months, I understand that caring about her or having feelings for her just isn't in my best interest. It's nothing I can change or control.

I just wish there was some switch I could shut off, you know? Right now, strongly considering going after one of her close friends, J. J, like me, is in recovery for drugs/alcohol and also fading out of my ex's life. About 6 weeks ago, I had a pseudo threesome with them both at J's house (J lives 25 minutes away from campus) but my ex asked me to "stay away from her" and I reluctantly agreed. Of course, my mindset at that time was getting my ex back... making her happy. J isn't as physically attractive as my ex, but a nice girl that I've developing a good friendship with... unfortunately, as I bode my time she's mentioned something about seeing a new guy. The window may have passed, but we'll see where it goes.

Thanks for keeping the topic alive, Tru. It's good to have someone in my corner, that isn't personally involved IRL. I feel a bit stronger every day after not contacting her... although in my mind I know that if I did, I could easily hang out with her and probably sleep with her. I know that's not in my best interest long time. When she broke up with me originally, it was almost completely unexpected - I've chalked this up to my suspicion of her borderline personality behavior. When I first started talking to her back in March, we seemed to just "click" so well. She's extremely magnetic. She was interested in everything I said and did, seemed to have so many good qualities, and she seemed to put me on a pedestal. Always saying "I like you, I like you a lot. How do you feel about me?" and always trying to please me. After the breakup, I had resolved to NC - it was easy, because I was definitely hurt and she knew it. And before long, I was seeing someone else and quickly forgot about her. But that someone else never worked out, and I got sucked back into my ex when she came back to school. I figured the FWB route would be a way to get her back - get that magnetic awesome attraction going again. With everything that's happened now, I see how different her and I really are. The sex was incredible, her personality is still magnetic, but the things she does here and there are blatantly painful and disrespectful and she doesn't even seem to realize it. She's the only person who's ever accused me of being selfish, arrogant and an asshole - in reality, I think this was just her egocentrism projecting these qualities on me. Perhaps with enough time, I can still maintain some sort of friendship, even with benefits, but I doubt it. The quality of how I felt back when we were dating comes back, and it makes me sick to my stomach thinking about her with other guys again. I guess in a way, I never really fell "out of love" with her, or the infatuation at least, because I know it wasn't real mature love. Since I broke up with my last real LTR a year ago, I've been with 9 women (and somewhere inbetween with a few others) but none of them invoked the kinds of emotions in me that this one does. It's almost like a case of one-itis, but my logical mind knows just how unhealthy it is for me to be friends in any way with an ex that just doesn't seem to care back. Since we became FWB, she's accused me of using her for sex, but I felt she has been using me for so much more... including sex. A place to stay. Someone to take her out, go places, cook with, hell I even enabled a MMF threesome for her. I would buy her little things here and there. And I would do it again, it's been a long time fantasy of mine as well, believe it or not, though of course I'd rather do FFM threesomes. She's attempted to get us into one a few times to little avail.

Funny enough, I still can't really understand why she contacted me Monday when she did. I probably scared her off talking about the money. Another voice in my head says that now she got money working over break, she's doing things with the people she really wants to hang out with, and she'll probably come back when she's broke or something. I'm talking myself out of it. And I don't want to just use some other girl as the rebound to her, because that's not really fair to them.

Also, I should mention I'm trying a no-fap challenge right now as well. Day three of that. I turn her coldness into a positive thing for me - the first breakup, I quit drinking/drugs. Last contact three days ago, quit fapping. Hah. Get me interested in new women, and forget about her... since I found usually if it wasn't porn, it was her I was fapping it to.

I really just had to get that rant out there. What I would like some input on, what are some things to keep in mind when she does inevitably contact me? To dictate my behavior.

For now, going back to my "PUA roots".

Abundance mentality. Treat her just like a random friend, not anyone special.

Not stressing or making a big deal out of anything.

I'll bring up the shit from the incident, but not make a big deal out of it verbally. Let my actions speak, through my disinterest in wanting to please her or go out of my way for her.

I do want to end things, but I'd rather end them on a good note. Get the control back. Maintain civility, should the day come when I can separate my emotions from sex with her. We do have mutual friends, and she's not going anywhere for the next three semesters nor am I.

Great rant man. I loved the detail and the openness. That will truly help you understand and recover from this.

You described how manipulative she is. Use that as gasoline on the "forget her ass" fire. She is not a mature person who will benefit you.

What would I do if I were you and she contacted me? I would first off not contact her back (if its not in person haha) for several days. Whatever you feel is the correct punishment time. Then, suggest a meet up, personally I would choose a public, laidback location like a coffee shop to make sure she can't yell or cry to try and manipulate me. And third, I would show no emotion throughout the meeting, tell her that I have decided to just be friends and no more. She will rebuttle with some bullshit, or she will just accept it. Either way you just state you are meeting a friend and need to go. Fourth, never talk to her again unless it is in person at a mutual party or something.

What should you do? Whatever you feel is right man. I am not you and I don't feel like you do towards her. Do whatever you feel to be optimal for YOU. Not her. YOU.