And women interpret looks differently. This will sound very confusing, but it's close to the truth:

If you just ask what they want concerning looks, they go for the cute guy, not the manly one. I have very pronounced, big, high cheekbones, I do not have an ounce of fat etc., which are considered as manly, but my female friends say they do not want this. They even go for the round-faced guys. What does this mean if you can translate what they are saying? They want someone they can connect to, an open fun guy. Someone who listens to their stories about daily insecurities. That's the "emotional connection type".

Second, at the same time, they all want also a manly guy: confident, mysterious, sharp-dressed, etc. So they want excitement, someone who has the sexual manly charisma. Then they are admitting they hate if the guy just looks like Justin Bieber. The "alpha male sexual type".

Combine these elements in a personal way, and you have a great personality. Which will attract women. So it's pure bs if you think they look at aesthetics. If women are talking about looks, they mean they want to experience certain emotions. If you can't deliver these goods, you're screwed.

Proof? 1. One of my best friends is a PUA. I think he had about 200 women in 15 years. The guy has mantits, for crying out loud. 2. I never received compliments about the fact I'm handsome, until I changed my inner game some years ago. Now I'm receiving these on a regular basis.

There are too much individual variabilities here. Some girls put looks first some puts money or personality. It depends who you are targetting. And judging from the small number of cases you've provided, you simply can not generalize this finding.

In fact, looks is only 1 factor of attraction and long mate term preference.

According to current statistics, females rank these in order of importance:

1. Personality (kind, helpful..
2. Intelligence
3. Looks
4. Potential resources
5. Status
6. Religion


Calling these off the top of my head but that is how i remembered it.

In essence, you have to choose your girl. Some girls do care about looks; and I know a bunch who puts looks first. However, a few do care about personality as well.

It is just "Looks is what capture the attention; personality is what we fall for"

Hope this makes sense.

You are clearly an intelligent guy, so probably you will connect to girls with some "content". Your kind of personality will not connect to the blond bimbo who wants the empty-headed asshole. And these assholes are most of the time identical copies regarding looks. It's social selection based upon identification, but for most it appears that shallow chicks are looking for the most cliché looks.

To be honest, I wouldn't know what to say to a blond bimbo, because my game is adjusted to more intelligent verbal attraction.

Well considering that 3 out of the 4 guys you see at the top of this page, are ugly mofos. That should tell you right there that looks are not all that important. Looks will be a huge help to your game, if the other stuff is in check. But personality still trumps all if you had to pick just one important factor.

Which of the 4 is not part of the 3?

I don't want to make too general of a statement. But I am just going by the pics I see at the top. Maybe these guys have better pics that they don't use there?? But Adam Lyons is the only decent looking guy up there.

I have to agree that looks are your best investment period! As you know "game" does matter but its a dream that by having good game you can get the '10s' in a club. People study pick-up for hours, go out and practise for a couple of months and expect to pull girls no matter how they look. This is complete Bs. Instead for those months work out, go shopping and work on your looks. Your looks will help you way more in the club than your personality. Lets be honest good looking guys get laid more than ugly dudes. Its a fact. But there is exceptions because some guys with looks dont get hot chicks well those guys are just idiots. For example most people only know 1 or two ugly guys at most who get hot girls and good looking guys who get hot girls we see those everyday. Now i agree that personality matters but it only matters when you using long game. When the girls have the chance to get to know you. For example a friend of mine, who isn't the best lookin guy, wanted a girl who came into our social circle a couple of months ago and even though this guy is extremely funny he didn't get her. Now fast forward to present day. Now this girl seriously wants to date him. It took her a couple of months to fall for his personality but also in those months she hooked up with 7 guys who were good looking. Personality works for slow game, looks get you laid faster thats the truth. When you dont have looks you trying to create sexual attraction which is hard instead look good so all you have to focus on is not fuckin up.

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I tend to side with the OP somewhat more than the rest of you and here's my reasons why.

#1. It's more common for me to see a good looking couple than a couple where one person is good looking and the other is very average or fat.

#2. Online profiles. Two buddies of mine who go to the gym constantly have profiles up. They get mail written to them from chicks who are both ugly and hot on a regular basis...4 or 5 times a week at least. I get no mail. They told me my profile sucked and that was why. So I copied their profiles word for word but swapped my picture in there. I still got zero mail...even with the same profile minus a different picture.

In regards to #2, looks do certainly play a large role. It captures the attention. But the flaw with this particular observation referenced in your statement is it neglects the 'real' effects of personality. Personality do not shine through a piece of paper or profile. Chemistry that strong personality or intelligence brings to play through actual interaction. So perhaps would one of these females talk to talk to you in the first place and your personality or intelligence show, then you get more girls?

Interestingly enough I tried another 2 experiments with my room mates...sort of to prove a point I had somewhat similar to the OPs.

#1 We decided to just sit at our table and not look at girls, just chat with the people at the table and have a good time. Over the course of an hour and a half, two groups of girls came up to the table and started talking to them...not me. This happens regularly when we are just hanging out so it didn't even really require a test...but that night we were making a point of it.

#2 My buddies and I each took a night to go up to 20 girls. All we would say is "Hey how's your night going?" and smile in a confident way. (We all know confidence is important so we stood tall) The test was to see how the girls responded. The one room mate had 17 girls respond happily and all but one continued the conversation. The second room mate had 16 girls respond happily and 13 continued the conversation. I had 8 girls respond happily, but only 3 of them gave me more than a one word answer before turning away. All we did was say "Hey how's your night going?" and then we left it up to the girls to see if they would contribute to the continuation of the conversation and not just brush us off.

I am 6 feet 230lbs so I'm no GQ, but if you take personality out of the equation a person with looks has much more success. I have no problems going up and starting a conversation if I can say more than hey how's your night going. So personality does play a key and I won't argue that in the least. What I will say though is that looks play a huge roll in how hard you have to work...or how many PUA skills you actually need to implement.

If you are a good looking guy and have game of COURSE you will beat out the guy that is relying solely on game. If you are good looking and have no game you may be able to get by. I agree with the poster's above statement that if you aren't a good looking guy or rather you are at or below the locations "average" you WILL have to use more game.

I also believe that a guy should aim to be a "total package" or well rounded, for myself i used to weight around 270lbs. Used to be into the metal/alternative concert scene etc. Though i was a natural and talking to girls i never had the confidence or the knowledge to see when to leave or when to continue conversation with women.

Tired of the same way i was I decided to remake myself I hit the gym lost weight (i'm about 230 now) yes i'm still overweight but i've lost weight, gained slightly more definition and confidence. I shelved most of my old clothes and started buying clothes that flatter my body type. Along with skills that i developed by the wingman to my groups Alpha. I was a man remade. Women complimented me i knew how to read my targets and knew how to talk a good game. Yes i'm still not that great GQ looking skinny/muscled guy. But i DO stick out from all the "average" guys because i take care of myself (trimmed beard, nice clothes, the way i present myself).

My motto is i don't have to be the best looking guy in the room, but i do have to be at least a step up from every other guy in that room.

i always found pointless the "look vs personality" theme mostly because its like

"ok, you either got the royal flush in life or not" meaning you either got the good genes or you would have to settle in life.

i HAVE to believe personality wins over looks because the alternative is saying F** IT lets hope next life i get a better hand. Do i mean i dont go to the gym or try to better my wardrobe? hell no BUT i know there is a limit to my physical improvement. Currently im short (1,68 mt), fat, asian and my genetics makes my body being build like D&D dwarf meaning that i have a broadback.

Im trying to change the "fat" part but i know that the others ones asure im never gonna be physical attractive in the common view and no amount of good clothing or muscle is gonna change the fact that im never gonna have the physic of lets say Jared Padalecki (im watching supernatural as im writing this) and never a woman is gonna look at me and say to herself "i would like to hit that".

So to me personally is not more of to see wheter looks matter more than personality or not, is more of i HAVE to believe that personality matters more because the alternative to that honestly is more horrible that i can bear.

I got in pua to be better with woman and find a mate and im looking for a 9-10 and honestly i preffer to be a deluded bastard who thinks that personality i what does really count and lie to myself that i have a chance with a 9-10 in any given situation than giving up because i didnt get a royal flush in life and settling for a ugly woman while lying to myself that deep down shes interesting. On the short term i think that even if losing weigh does the magic and wonders that supousely does is still and long term thing, whats i supouse to do in the meantime? hidde in a cave and suck my tumb?

Thats my two cents anyway is not really a response to any particular post of this thread but mostly at all the books out there that tells you to "change your lifestyle" or "hit the gym" like is was something as easy and quickly as going to the store.

To an extent, i agree.. but if you're dealt Ace-King and if you miss the board and don't know how to represent a big hand you're aswell being dealt deuce-seven.

My point being that it's all good being good looking, but if you have no game and don't know how to approach girls, girls will see you for what you are, a nobody.

Like you say you can only work with what you have, but if you put your mind to it, you can work it well my friend!

Sorry i express myself in a wrong way what i meant was that normally the argument of "look vs personality" evolves in the people who believes that look are THE ONLY thing that matters and people who thinks personality matters more. Wich to me is rather pointless even consider true the first one because in that case, for my personally i would have to put a gun in my mouth and start believing in reincarnation.

Look, MIDGETS get laid.

And JESUS CHRIST look at this:



You were saying what again?

The dude is MAD RIPPED. But he made the most of the absolutely horrible, garbage hand he was dealt.

I'm certainly not trying to claim that looks don't help. They do.

But when you feel like complaining look at this shit.

There is also Badface. I'm not even going to POST the image of Badface.

http://www.dailycognition.com/content/i ... noface.jpg

I can't say that Badface gets laid but there are many pictures of him out there with very attractive women.

Personally I'm very lucky in terms of what I received in the genetic lottery. But I'm here to tell you that it doesn't matter. Game is what matters.

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