Well jumping right to phone game can look more alpha because your not being shy.. but too quickly and u risk looking Eager.. you should get her in FB im & then bait her.. give her a reason to need to be on the phone with you.. n make her TELL you to call her..

that way, your not invested, your justified, and your alpha status is unaffected.. and neither are you.

or you can talk in IM n find out something she knows about, that you would need information on or help with then out the blue one day "hey, I gotta ask u a question... blah blah blah" (which u called her cuz u werent near a computer obvioussllyy) then transition into game.

Be Quick, so you can strike while the irons hot, but remain unaffected, and not eager..

Makes sense Chief;Im feeling the concept.

Part of my gaming is trying to get the chicc to be the on qualifying.

But that shit can be hard for me(lol).

I've asked girl who Im gaming,"So why do you like me"?

I'd either get a BS answer,no answer(if online)...

I guess if the chicc's not feeling you,she just wont qualify.

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Oh,Im definitely with you on that ImNaShitFool.

Genius idea when it come to geting her on her phone.

I'd definitly prefer if she's the one telling me to call her;it eliminates all the awkward uncomfortable stuff.

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Ok guys another question:

When should I call her;literally when-what time?

I've decided to call her Monday-Tuesday.

But what time:morning,noon,afternoon,eve,night(9 ish)or as she goes to bed(assuming 10:30 ish)?

I there such thing as right time of day?

Obviously 7 AM is too early,and 1 AM is too late(unless I'm already banging her/booty call).

I dont want to call when she's most busy.

Thi's her schedule as far as she told me(during the ommitted small talk):

1)She'd just graduated high school and currently not working so says she's home most of the AM.

2)From about 2 ish, she babysits her little brother(at home)until evening.

3)From evening on,it's Facebook and shit.

At least thats on weekdays.

So with her schedule being known,what times should I call?

Or it doesnt matter?

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doesnt matter.. any reasonable time is fine..

if u get any shit for it.. "I called u cuz I gotta go blank soon, so i thought id kill some time.. "

I like the Bank False-time constraint ImNaShitFool.

I just hate calling girl as if Im gonna stay for the long haul.

Not that I do that,but I hate the thought of it.

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If she said "Why do you like me", I was told never to give a direct answer unless it was NO. So if I was approached with a question like this, I'd say something along the lines of... "I like you... as a friend". Now this will probably work better in person, since right after you say that you can do some serious kino esclation. She'll be confused and see you as unpredictable. And she'll think... "Wait, why isn't he like all the other horny guys that cling onto me and want me?". So that'll put you in the unique category. If you think about it, it's genius. It works especially well if you've JUST met a girl. Tell her that you think you just found a 'nice friend' and she'll be confused. And then start touching her and esclating the physical. It doesn't really matter what you say to them because they don't work on logic. You'll confuse her emotionally and trigger all sorts of emotions this way. And this way, she might have her guard down less, by you saying that.

From here on out, I constantly drop hints
about just ‘being friends’ and how I really ‘like her as a
friend’ and how ‘it’s nice to meet someone that I like as a
friend’.
Trust me on this one… this messes them up soooooo
hard that they literally don’t know what to do.
This is most likely the first time IN THEIR ENTIRE
LIFE that this has happened to them. It continually
triggers their insecurity and makes them wonder why
they’re not attractive enough to you. It also disarms them
completely. (You have to really possess the mindset that
you are qualifying them and that they’re going to be your
friend for this to work)
I personally like to use the friendship jargon because
I have decided that it’s better to enter any new
relationship in a ‘NOT NEEDY’ frame of mind. Talking
about being friends reminds ME to pay more attention
and to remember that I don’t need anything and to stay
focused on learning.
-Quoted As for calling, I'm not quite sure the best time.
However too late = booty call and sex. A no no.
Too early = needy and desparate.
But it's a fact that girls are more "horny" in the moring when they wake up. I'd call sometime 11AM or 12PM. Either that, or sometime during the afternoon/early night.

You made few major points Shinigaml.

Telling the girl I like you but,or just as a friend,saying that over the phone or text may cause the target to back peddle(if not done right).

But in person,a whole diffrent ball game As you said Shinigaml;you can go KINO and send mixed signals which will intrigue her.

So it doesnt matter if you give a negtive anwer in person;you can always save the day with KINO.

What you're saying Shinigaml is a powerful tool.

Men are used to women LJBF'ing them.

Now,for a guy to(falely)LJBF a girl would be insanely powerful(lol)!

A far as calling Shinigaml,I agree with that you said about calling too late signals booty call.Too early signals deperate.

11'ish will do it.

Another quicc question fellaz:Yesterday I was searching through my archives and came acros article by Tyler Durden(my favorite guru)about setting up the meet.

Now he was basically saying,you should not try to set up a meet/date on the first 2 calls or so.

So make a few small talk,comfort stuff,quicc stories.

I notoriously have a habit of trying to meet up with the girl from the 1st call;and it rarely ever materializes,I get fed up and cut the girl off.

So guys agree?

Should I leave the 'meet-up' question for later(in about few more chats),or just go for it one time(1st convo)?

Or does it depends on the vibe and how open the girl is?

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UPDATE:

Im pretty fed up already at the obstacles.

Anyway,as I'd said,I'll call her Monday.

I sent her a text about 11:30,no reply.

So I called her about 1pm.

No answer(I expected that;jitters from her).

Went online,met on Facebook chat.

Had a great chat as usual;I never brough up the no reply thing.

So I'd said to her that we should meet up sometimes.

No reply on the Facebook chat.

After about 2 minutes I sent her another saying,"I dont like boring girls;I love adventure".

She replies,"Me too(lol)"!

So I said,since you're not the dating type,next best thing is for us to chit chat in the road some where.

Then she says that her dad's very over protective[remember she'd just graduated high school this year;she's 19 and lives at home].

So her dad wouldnt be ok with seeing her talking to some guy even infront the yard.

So at that point Im semi-pissed/disappointed.

So I said,well it' not like we're gonna be broadcasting that we're out side talking.

[Silence]

Then I changed the subject with some small talk,then the chat faded.

Im fucking pissed right now.More let down than wanting to punch the wall pissed(lol).

Guys,Im thinking to give up eventhough I'd just # closed her 2 days ago.

I can sense she'll be a notorious flake.

I dont want that headache.

Yes,there will be obstacles,cockbloccers,fathers,LMR,etc.

But if this chicc isnt even open for the meet up,then WTF!!!

True,dont give up too eaily;persistence is King(a quote from Tyler Durden)but got damn!!!

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Texting is always a good route to take.

I'm a younger generation though so calling people on the phone is like a definite no though ahah

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As soon as I saw this thread I knew that is what I would say too, no need to it seems!

Dont get despondent mate unless your gaming like 5 girls at the same time enjoy the thrill of the chase with this one regardless of the outcome it's added knowledge innit!

If your present route is not working try something different if asking to meetup aint working, you seemed to get a good response from calling her a good little daddys girl, imho id maybe consider telling her she shouldnt meet you, it's dangerous, it's bad it would be out of character.

Or maybe you can start spouting love poems and declare your undying lov...lol j/k

GL though!

want to keep gaming this chick, you got to do it through text message. Call off chatting on facebook just because you been doing it too much. You've been giving here too much attention on facebook that you got to layoff. How I see it - is you're giving too much value away (by talking to her on facebook) and anytime a girl sees you giving up too much value, she will lose attraction towards you. First of all, she haven't deserve it yet.

I would say the best thing to do now is wait a couple days then game her through text messaging. Start with like,

PUA: Stop [then wait for a response]
HB: Stop what?
PUA: Stop thinking about me and smiling =)

After that game is on and is up to you what to say next but another thing you have to do with this girl, once the text messaging gets heat up just before the climax you've got to cut her loose. [Push/Pull method] I haven't seen any 'push/pull' method and you got to show her you got a busy lifestyle. Busy lifestyle equals DHV.

I couldnt agree with you more FuturePUA;I laid off the fb-chat,started texting,now we're engaging in some 5 minute phone chat.

Thats' the latest update over the past few days;going pretty well(phone game).

Comfort isnt an issue over phone game;I guess I eased the tension a lot by texting rather than calling out of the blue.

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