I’ve been in her situation multiple times. The main mistake is that the guys ‘made sure’ that she realizes that they are about to approach. It’s one thing someone to look at you and smile, it’s completely different when a guy stares at you for over an hour, it generates unpleasant feelings for sure, as if you’ve been monitored. If the guys have approached directly I believe that they would have had a chance to actually have some kind of a chat with her.
Of course girls feel more comfortable being approached during the day or at peaceful places like coffee shops and libraries, it allows us to feel safer. But also if you are looking for a ONS/immediate kiss close and generally for some type of kino, night game and clubs/bars/pubs are the best places to look for it. We might be more prepared in that kind of environment, with loaded shield, but we are also more open to instant ‘dates’. When being on the street, I am most of the time in a hurry, I can’t really be bothered by guys. A good place for a day game approach is the park or the campus, these places are pretty much the equivalent of pubs and bars.
In my opinion the best way to approach a girl after dark is to be direct or simply be friendly and transition from there. Opening and being completely obvious (without being direct) will just shut you down. Guys might be the hunters in that game, but girls don’t like easy victims either. When being direct (meaning sexually open) while night game, will either dhv you ( ‘he isn’t a pussy… he is open and actually honest, he knows what he wants) and get you laid or you will get a quick and simple respond ‘NO’ which is better when you don’t wanna waste your time wondering around and fishing for already ‘dead fish’.
Back to the initial topic: the opener that these guys have used isn’t in particular bad, there are no bad openers… in the end the opener is just a way to catch someone’s attention. Their ‘crash and burn situation’ comes from way too slow reactions and lack of knowledge how to transition.
Female Artist, I haven’t been given the chance to say that I am glad to see one more girl around…so take this as a welcome note. Also one thing that I do since I am into pua, why not try next time when you are in that kind of situation to school the guys. At first they might look at you as if you are crazy but later on they will be grateful Also, what better way to develop than learning while observing your own reactions and these of the people around you and helping them throughout your experience.

Cheers
Jez

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Jezebel, could you list one or more good examples of direct (sexually open) things that a guy can open with. I would like to analyze your list for what merit they may have for my game. Thanks in advance!

I cannot give you exact lines that you can use, since I am not planning my approaches in advance. But what I meant my being direct is simply to go up to the girl and tell her pretty straight what do you think. Jav mentioned one good example ‘ Have I met you before… just joking, I think you’re cute and just wanted to meet you’- it’s simple, it’s natural, honest and also very playful when said with the right voice and body language. It’s refreshing to see a guy acting direct and not being afraid to send clear signals. One thing that I as a girl have done and it has served me well is make short eye contact, smile … in about 1 to 2 minutes just go to the guy and ask him if distant flirting is satisfying for him. When being open and smiley people aren’t scared of you because you simple lay your cards on the table, that doesn’t mean that you aren’t a good ‘player’, it just means that you are good enough in that game to ‘win’ even when your cards are down (don’t get me wrong …player is purposely put in inverted commas). People fear what they don’t understand, people aren’t interested in something that is obvious before they’ve been given the chance to explore it by themselves. When having too much time between the eye contact and the actual ‘chat up’, you are giving the girl a chance to create some abstract version (not even remotely close to the real one) of you..believe me, girls are very good at that … you might not even get the chance to open your mouth, when she will already have a theory about your whole life and personality (girls like ‘cold’ reading). You better not give them that chance …
Also a direct approach can be done by body language and no conversation involved. For instance if you are at a very loud bar an instant kino (watch where you touch … don’t be an idiot … and don’t hold your hands for too long wherever you’ve placed them) can be a good opener. A friend of mine works wonders with this… while a girl is at the bar buying drinks, he gently puts his hand on her waist as if to tell her ‘ excuse me lady… I am here …’ then he removes his hand. 99% of the time she will turn around and face him with a smile and before she is given the chance to speak he will be opening already with something completely casual. Sounds completely random, but I’ve seen that so many times that I started thinking that there’s some kinda secret place that we have there somewhere around our waist that unlocks ‘the best of us’ …
The opener is the shortest part of your game and also the little golden key that either will let you in the castle or will shut you down forever. The main difference between you guys and us is that your first words most of the time tell us if we should give you some of our precious time or not, whereas you don’t really concentrate on the first ‘words (also including body language)’ that girls ‘shoot’ at you… So if you get to lock in, that’s pretty much a Yes road you are on. As long as your body language is in harmony with your mind, you will be fine.. so choose carefully, either be direct or be friendly
I hope I’ve answered some part of your question while blabbing

Cheers
Jez

P.s When doing a direct approach never ever forget to respect the lady

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Hey some interesting posts on here

"Dont get flattered. Im not trying to pick you up so there is no need for you to qualify yourself to me. "

Hey Johnny B - LOL. Don't worry I didn't think that Maybe my wording was wrong. I think you have very valid questions, and I think you are apporaching this from the right angle judging from the nature of your questions.

I think that both elements - the men and the noise don't work well together. Like I generally don't like the loud males anyway - it doesn't matter if it's in a bar or in a quiet cafe. I will just think he's annoying. If you combine my dislike of those kind of males with a noisy environment that makes me tense, it has a double effect. My guard will already up and I'll be more aggressive than usual.

It was through a simple way that me and my exboyfriend met. We were at a party and he gave me a nice compliment and said he liked my hat (it's from the 1940's and it was Halloween so I was dressed as a 1940's burleque gothic type). I said it was from a local vintage fair, and then the conversation just naturaly flowed from there. After starting our good conversation we realised we didn't know each other's names, and then formally shook hands, and giggled and carried on It helped that he wasn't drunk, wasn't shouting in my ear, didn't lean on me or break my personal space too!

I don't like drunks who've been drinking my body in through their eyes for the last hour and made to feel like prey. A drunken guy who can barely stand up, or guys who think they're so hilariously funny they laugh loudly at their own jokes. And don't stare at a woman's boobs when you're talking to her. We all know that guys want to, but we'll respect you more if you show you can resist it!! It's true that it's hard to get through to me, but most of the time I can suss someone out by their eyes - sometimes it's just a feeling that has nothing to do with how they carry themselves, - a gut instinct.

Ahhaaa LaVitaèBreve!!! I have actually told a man before what he did wrong. They came up to us in a club and started dancing with us. I'm sorry I don't remember the exact details but I believe he said something slightly negative about my friend's dress like ''That dress would look nice if it was matched with better shoes'' or something silly like that. I told him he should restructure his sentence becuase it sounds like he's insulting her but trying to cover it up as a compliment, and that it's not a very nice thing to do to a girl you've just met. He something stupid back like, ''well girls never have problems with me usually and you're missing out on a good time with us'', - my reply was a skeptical 'Is that so?!"

Shahnam you are exactly right with this comment

''U see, when a hot girl goes clubbing or to a Bar, she expects all sort of guys approaching her (drunk, sleezy, weirdo's and so one) so they get into their defense mood to shut them down. Which guys know as "being bitchy". The whole night and club scene is not a safe and comfortable environment! As a guy, Im always worried about getting into fights or stabbed and ...
But in day light, girls feel safer, they are in a social place with lots of other people who are not drunk, or try-hards or trouble makers! And that safety of day time and social place, makes them to be more open to conversations and approaches!''


Actually that's the main mistake that annoys me - guys who are drunk. Even if they are VERY attractive, I will find their drunk state a big turn off.

It's a shame this isn't a proper conversation - it would flow better and wouldn't require any lenthy typing!!!