[quote="Cowboy_09"][quote="ToAki"][quote="Cowboy_09"]I am not saying Adams seduction game doesnt work. If you can get guestlist for the best club in London for every girl you meet on the street, and then when they get there you are surrounded by other women that you have used the same game on, then it will definitely work.

Actually seducing a girl, from scratch involving just your words and actions is a totally different thing. Adam is pretty derogatory about Mystery as are puatraining and many other groups of PUA's.

Mystery does not do natural game, he uses pre scripted game, but he can seduce a woman without the extravagance that Adam uses, so i would see it as pointless going on an AFC adam workshop, as there would be nothing worth learning.[/quote]

how do u think he got surrounded by other women? he gamed them for god sake
just by looking at his wife which is gorgeous u can see he has game
are u surrounded by other women who want to jump ur cock? nooo
meaning u have no game, second mystery has no extravagance? he invented it
half is game is based on magic tricks as a way to dhv he dresses that way
to show that hes a rockstar and demonstrating higher value, did u see the holy grail of pickup? mystery opened around 4 sets before he had enough preselection
to open the set that he wanted to, adam came to the club with that preselection and in 5 min can do what mystery takes some time, the result is the same but what takes less time?[/quote]


I am confident in my game, and i am confident in who i am, and my frame. And the main point is , i dont charge people thousands of pounds to learn from me.

Mystery has a whole book on how to seduce a woman, Neil Strauss came out with amazing new material that people are still using now.

If you can find me anywhere, and i have read all of Adams stuff, that he managed to seduce a woman, or can explain to someone how to seduce a woman, without social value, please show me[/quote]

omg u dont even know what a frame is, stop using community words to sound smart, it pisses me off. about how adam charges thousands of pounds, thats not true he is the cheapest in the community compared to mystery that charges 2999 or around that price range. mystery teaches u how to say lines same thing u can learn all that stuff yourself, u go to a bootcamp to get advice personally fins ur sticking points and get infield encouragement to approach.
now about mystery book and style's routines, adam has a book too and he invented social proof and entourage game. again how do u think he got all those girls to surround him? he has game, look at his wife im pretty sure he seduced her and had sex (sarcastic) did adam steal ur girl that u hate him so much? if u say adam only gets girls cause he has lots of female friends, get female friends and ull get laid like him, is there a reason u dont want female friends?

Don't be silly, some stuff is better than other stuff.

That's pretty muich a universal concept and it applies to PU aswell.

I do understand that concept. My view is that the methods are different not necessarily better. The idea of 'better' is an opinion based thing.

For example a Ferrari 360 might be better than a Fiat Panda if you are a 21yr old guy but I'm pretty sure that would swap round if you were a middle age woman living in central London.....

A method can be better in one persons opinion but that concept cannot be applied to everyone

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MM isn't an effective way to PU compared to others, PU can mess you up emotionally and socially.

Considering the goal of a seduction school is...

1. To get you laid.

2. To make you socially aware and emotionally well developed (dealing with rejection appropriatly).

I'd say MM ranks pretty low; regardless of what you may think PU has a specefic goal in mind and MM doesn't match up to that as well as others do.

Bullshit


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IT'S SO AWESOME

One of the things i could never understand about mystery is that he has used exactly the same lines, for 15 years. Its very hard for you to grasp what his personality actually is.
With that though, some of his canned material is really good and he consistently pulls.

I dont doubt Adams method work, in the context he is in. But he relys on having a nightclub and then social proof, so all he has to do is get the number. Which he does by saying that he is a party promoter.

My point was he doesnt have any skills at seduction without using social game.

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Unless u sarged with adam and saw him do his stuff and witnessed firsthand that that is how he picks up girls stop talking shit about other pua's. and girls are not that stupid or slutty that they'll sleep with anyone who says hes a party promoter.

and adam is not a party promoter, he gets into parties for free because he brings girls
its something that mystery and lovedrop (and probably any other pua) have got
because its advantageous to the club owners to have a lot of girls

Toaki, learn how to have a conversation without swearing or acting like an A hole.

Then people might actually read what your saying

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How can you blame mystery?

When all AFCadam is doing is rippoffs?

Have you read mysterys post about pawning? (creating pivots on the spot?)
Have you read the post on pivot management from style and mystery?
These date from 2006...

Maybe they will look very similare to entourage game.

Also, we shouldn't listen 100% to what adam claims, he have been caught multiple times lying on girls he have laid.

So deal is... I personally prefer to be able to approach a chick and pull her in short time without needing any social proof or any bullshit.

Seductive vibe > social proof.

If you don't get sexual, you don't get any laid. If he doesn't teach to escalate properly and show sexual intent... then what he is teach is a waste of money unless all you want is some female friends or some smiles in a club.

Edit: Yeah, he is not the second best pua in the world, infact he is a ranked number 2, by a fat computer geek, called thundercat (aka thunderfat), who does a puablog, and actually rarely goes out in the field, and who, is in business with the people he ranks. I am not sure if thundercat have been in the field for years!

Ooops, is it strange they get ranked?

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^ As a young man, going highly sexual is just about the only game you can pull off because that's all you have. Any sort of attempt to demonstrate value would lead most young guys to fall on their faces because it would be either an outright lie or a goofy stretch of the imagination. How can a 18 year old truly lead other men or take care of anybody else? Some of you kids can hardly fold your own laundry . . .

Come back to us on this one when you've actually accomplished a thing or two in life. . . when you've actually matured a bit, and found some balance and have established some of your own philosophies in life. Come back to us when you've discovered at the very least a glimpse of your potential. Come back to us when your maturity (including sexual maturity) exudes from your pores.
This is wrong.
This might be right.

I'm not saying anything that there's anything particularly wrong with your game. If anything, most don't get sexual enough so what you're advocating is very important. However, you're tossing the teenage experience blanket over our entire game and really . . . it doesn't apply too all.

And for your information, it is absolutely possible to pull a ons out of a girl you just met without even chatting about sexual topics. You'll one day find out . . .

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mZxFujEdQ0[/youtube]

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Oh dear you, you are completly going nutts XD
My question is, are you young? have oyu sarged and been getting lots of results with women while being young?
If not, it's pure kj.

Social value is not only money, education etc...
It's popularity aswell.

Social value has same effect on adults and teenagers.

Infact, aren't younger people more into "being a star" thing?

Come on man this must be a joke.


I think I have accomplished a few more things than even 30 year old haven't.

Beliving I am more sexually mature than what most men will ever be, I give women the sex they want. What does it mean to be mature sexually?

I don't care what call sexually mature...
What i do care about is that I have an amazing sexlife, which I share with girls. I have completly open sex, I kinow what I want and I get it?
So who cares on what you call sexually maturity?

20% of the females in the world hardly get orgasms while having sex with men!
All I know is that I make them squirt (being passionated on sexology and sex techniques for a while), so I canæt see were you wanna go with being sexually mature.

Also I know what I want in life, I am a big time philosopher. Ideas about life... well I believe I am a lucky guy who will enjoy life much more than most men.
Now my question for you is, why do women have sex with men?
Why do you have sex with women?

Because, of the fact that you get aroused by her, and she gets aroused by you.
Arousal is sexual.

Now claim what you want, But I rather trust my experience, and studies and human biologie.
Whats the differences with teenage experience, or more "sexually mature" people?

Yes, there is a difference between 18 and 30 y old women.
But I am a milf hunter these days, so i go for women on 25 +.

Now, by best friends in this pu community, called Sleazy and Cosy, are both older than me.

Sleazy, have his website here: www.AaronSleazy.com , were he pulls women out of 5 minutes (hot ones, and not drunk). He is now 30.

Cosy is 25, is also amazing.

Kineticharm: over 30 yold, also pulls a lot quickly by getting sexual, he got some articles on the bristollair.

BadP: he is also not a teenage... he pulls quickly, great...

I am not sayingyou have to pull quickly, but if you can pull quickly, you can do it slowly too.

So this is BS.

But one fact, is that no matter what game you are doing, you need to get sexual at some point. Please list me a pu system were you don't have to.

If you don't arouse her you don't get laid.

Don't mention Adams game, because he claimed on a PM to me, that he had to get sexual, it was a "of course" thing for him aswell.

Read her, what makes women have sex with you.
http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion ... 89&fid=173

Absolutly, it's just an efficient way to get sexual, which I personally like a lot.

the most classic way is basic state projection and physical nonverbal escalation.

Also I have not been into this super sexual game all the time, I started with MM, and in 2007 I was into pivot based game.

I was surely much less efficient, but it worked. less results, worse results but it worked...

But still, at some point I had to get sexual to get laid.

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I think I understand the point that the original poster is making and I agree. Ive seen some of AFC Adam's products and videos and although I'm not disrespecting his game, it seems to be get female friends, take them to the club, use the preselection so that 9's and 10's are easy, date the 9's and 10's and then use the preselection to get more 9's and 10's....It seems sound but its not for me. I dont want a girl to sleep with me because I came into the club with hot girls, I want her to sleep with me because she's attracted to my personality. Mystery does do magic and says the same lines over and over, but if you've ever seen him in field or in video he is very charismatic. I dont know why other MPUAS diss him because at the end of everything WITHOUT MYSTERY THERE WOULD BE NOTHING (NEARLY ALL THE MPUAS HAVE STARTED OUT LEARNING MM,AFC ADAM EVEN WENT TO A MM BOOTCAMP when he was starting). I would rather walk up to a girl confidently and open and trigger attraction through my personality and teasing and then have her see me with hot girls to INCREASE attraction, than to walk in with 100 Hot girls and rely on my target being attracted to me by assuming I have value. I think Preselection should be ONE of the attraction switches that you trigger, NOT the main thing you would rely on.
At the end of the day, PU is about what works for you.

^ This is the response I would expect from an immature teenager. LOL . . . You're too immature to even realize that you are immature.

Now of course "immaturity" has very little to do with your brand of game. As I wrote, I like the way you run it. You should continue to advocate and teach it as you seem passionate about it but obviously, you're in no position to comment (especially negatively) about other aspects of our little game. Just because you can't pull it off, it doesn't mean other types of game can't benefit others.
Do yourself a favor and print out what you wrote above and keep it in safe keeping. It will provide you with endless laughter starting from maybe . . . 7 or 8 years from now, provided that you educate yourself a bit and "grow up" at an average rate.