I think you would have some strong points, if everything were always as it seems with people. I suggest you study psychology for a while instead of how to "game" girls, and you will see why you're wrong. You can't always judge a book by it's cover.

I wear my heart on my shoulder. I have no problem telling anyone how it is, or how I feel. I give everything at face value, and I expect to recieve it at face value. If you ever met me or actually got to know me, you would understand where I am coming from. Ive been with 32 girls. ONE had a boyfriend... and I didnt know it until after we hooked up (they had been in and out of a relationship and they split up for good less then a month later). The other 31 were single. Why is this? Because I play a specific game, that allows me to specificially target the ones who are KNOWINGLY out doing what they are doing. The way I play, they have to be intentionally out hooking up for me to get them.

Obviously if they are "oh my boyfriend this, my husband that" or they specificially bring that person up... I will continue the conversation for a short period, then bounce off to someone else. I wont pursue a woman who continues to bring them up. Those situations are MUCH different then a girl who is giving intermitent signals to the OP. To HIS situation... game on. She obviously has a guilty conscience, and she will dump her bf to pursue him, or she can act as a wingman. She already made it apparent she wasnt fond of cheating.

And for the record... this is what I believe...

Some of them may have had boyfriends or been married... however I had and still have no idea that at the time they did. Obviously im sure some of them were lying... but to my belief, those are true statements... I cant be faulted If I was unaware.

I'm curious to see you in action and how you handle all this. IF you truly do back off if they mention a bf, then that's a lot better.

As long as you aren't saying screw the unknowing party just because you want what you want, then I don't have a problem with you or anything you do.


Can you give me a rundown of your game though and how you approach? I will admit I do need help in that category. I don't think too many people would think I'm unattractive (that's me in my avatar) so I'm not too worried about that part, but I suck at approaching and all that. And I do mean I SUCK. That's why I'm here. I'd be willing to accept advice from you as long as you don't trample on others. I don't want to be hurting anyone.

We live in a huge tourist area. I am 25, and a former marine. Many people find me attractive, but since I got out of the Marines, I have put on a little weight, and no longer find myself attractive.

Its an on-going joke around here (Hilton Head Island, SC) that everyone is from Ohio. Its seriously a literal term. Drive around the "south end" (what the locals call it... its the south end of the island, where all the tourists stay) between Memorial Day and Labor Day, and you will see more Ohio license plates then any other state (including SC) COMBINED. Yes, this is a serious statement.

SO... out to the "Triangle" A series of 4 bars/clubs (Used to be 3, hince the triangle name) that is connected in the center by a courtyard. You can walk directly from the parking lot to the courtyard, then enter the bars from there.

The 4 bars each have their own "style" I guess to put it. One is for the older, laid back crowd that likes to listen to oldies and be able to actually talk to each other in a decend "outside" voice. Another is a place to kick back, play pool, beer pong, sit at the bar, laid back, hang out style. The other 2 are both bar/clubs. One is mostly blacks and minorities (Im not racist... just trying to paint the picture for you) and the other is mostly white people with a few blacks/minorities mixed in... probably like any average club. Thats where we go.

I will sit back, bounce around, and once I see a set of girls that even one gives me a quick eye contact, smile, anything... I approach.

"I bet your from Ohio arent you?" 90% of the time? The answer is yes. I roll straight from that into guessing they are from Athens (OU is there) and probably 50% of the time I am right with that. Since Im from Ohio, I then can stack into that.

At this point we already have something in commen and to talk about. Usually the girl I approach will then tell all of her friends that Im from Ohio and live here now... and then I get the introduction. The original girl, has introduced me, so she displayed acceptance and HV for me to her friends. At that point, I will pick a target, and stack forward. Sometimes I do have to bounce to a different girl due to situations... but thats now I open here.

Now, when we go down to Savannah... its a whole different story. Its a college/party town. If you go to 309 west on river street... ANY game gets you in. If you can hold the ball... your doing good. Its an art town, and the girls are crazy, and the guys are laid back art boys.

Last night I was solo, and not trying to pick anything up... and opened 3 sets, one being a girl opening the door up for me as I went to the second floor, I gave her a smile and neged her telling her thats how it should be... we held a conversation (she was HB9).

Another was a HB7 or 8 that came up behind me as she was trying to pass by, placed her hands on my hips as she tried to shuffle by. I grabbed her hands, swung around facing her, and opened it up. The third was a girl who was there obviously to go home with someone. I prefer a challenge, opened, and left her hanging. She will be back for more another time...

Im going to work out... but Ill try to add to this in a few hours.

that depends on your sense of morality.

personally, I believe that if she wants you, regardless of if she's married or not, it'd be immoral to back down. You're taking away a chance to improve this women life and make her happy.

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Yo guys, the progress(?) thus far:

Yesterday we both had to work. She was finished an hour earlier than me, but waited the whole hour (the last half an hour talking to me) 'till I was finished aswell. Then we had a few drinks (I work at a bar/restaurant) and talked with her for about 3 hours, semi isolated from the other co-workers. No awkward moments, much kino (mostly from her!), she was touching her hair, mirroring me, stuff like that.

Her boyfriend called her during our talk, but she was talking to him like a friend, no "honeys, dears, kisses" or things like that. It took about 5 min. and I, not precisely knowing what to do, mostly remained silent but kept eye-contact most of the time during the call. She mentioned that she was drinking something with me and was stroking my back during the whole call. After the call was finished I said: "you had me waiting". She responded with: "yeah I know, he talks a lot". No mentioning of her boyfriend during the rest of our talk (or ever).

Another co-worker who's clearly hitting on her dropped by (he had to pick something up, not knowing that I had a drink with this girl), but she was acting quite negative towards him, so he left after 5 min. (somewhat disillusioned I guess).
At a certain moment she started to blush, telling me "I don't know where this is coming from". I touched her cheeks to feel if they where warm, telling her she maybe had one drink to many (not really the case). I'm not really sure what this means.

No kisses yet, mainly because I have to step up my game I think, but also because she still has a boyfriend. I haven't told her literally that I like her (unlike the other co-worker) and I try to maintain that, keeping it subtle and with lots of kino.

I definitly don't want to end up in the friend-zone, what must I do and do not to avoid getting in the friend-zone? Not treating her like a friend is too basic.

Harem, I appreciate your advice very much. Like you've said, "just game" isn't going to work, I need to know what I'm doing.

hey there,

no offence... but i have the feel that this girl is just fooling around.... pretty much with everyone.
first, she has a boyfriend, breaks up with him, starts to 'game' you, than hooks up with another guy.
come on....

i also have the feel that you're really into her, not just want to hook up and thats it.
to be honest, i'd forget her.
i know, this might not be very positive, or a good advice but i dont think she wants any serious with you. if you're also that way, than fine, go on, but dont get yourself in a situation when ur the guy calling her, and you know that she's with another dude.

and please prove me wrong if im wrong about her, it just feels that way.
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o, and about her having a boyfriend... or a husband, or anything

u know, if a girl hooks up with someone while having a boyfriend, its gonna happen again. she will also hook up with the next one, while you're the 'boyfriend' at hand.

i got together with a girl last summer. a couple weeks later, she told me, that she had a boyfriend at the time we got together, but she dumped her immediately (that was true, it doesnt matter tho). 2 months later, guess how it ended...
i was the dumped one.

Most of the time it's her texting me (not daily) and for all I care, it stays that way.
I have to admit I do like her, not only finding her attractive, but I really nice girl to talk to aswell. As I mentioned earlier on, I had one-itis before in quite a similar situation (but I was too "affraid" to even touch the girl) so I'm careful this time.
I'm not being clingy, not literally telling her I like her (but showing it very subtle).
Like I said, I like her but I'm not putting everything aside for her and I will look for other girls to game (even if I'm not interested for something more, or actually maybe because I'm not interested for something more).

I understand where your feeling comes from though, I've been thinking the same, but should I care? If not, how should I deal with it then?

It's going to be your problem when the husband decides to come find you and take out his pent up rage on you for "ruining his family". You mess with enough married girls, and you'll eventually have someone go psycho on your ass.

Some girls just can't be alone . . .

This girl went fishing with several rods. The guy you labeled "needy" bit the hook while you swam around her bait over and over again. This situation has very little to do with game. All you had to do was nod, "Uh huh . . . " and tag along with her on a date.

Then it would be the other guy telling his buddies that YOU are a needy chump while you'd have your cock stuffed down her throat every weekend and not the other way around.

Hey, I don't care if you've never boxed in your life. I bet I can give you a 5 minute run down and get you to win your first match with a 1st round knock out. You know how? I'd go grab an 8 year old from a playground to be your opponent. This girl IS THAT 8 YEAR OLD. This was a gift on a platter. . . What more did you want to hear from the girl? "I want to fuck you real bad baby so that's why I'm giving you my number. Call me, I will fuck you. Guaranteed..."?(One day, you will realize that regardless of what they say, a girl giving you a number like that means EXACTLY what I just wrote aboveP

What to do now? Just go under the radar and ask her out to something fun. At this point, if you mention the "boyfriend" or act like this "fun date" is anything more than a fun date and it'll trigger a few "I'm a nice girl" alerts. No need to do that crap over the phone. Just take her out, have fun, and get her horny.

Anyone who can confirm this advice? It sounds kinda basic to me and I don't see the psychology behind it. Anyway, what do I have to do and don't to avoid the friend-zone?

Im not sure what advise your looking for but let me throw this out there...

If your looking for her as a girlfriend... look at what she is doing to her current "boyfriend". Chances are, shes going to do it to you.

If your just looking to bed her, there are much easier, just as good looking, fish in the sea.

With that said, forget her. Dont one-itis it. Simply move on... and she will come around or not... either way, its going to make things easier.

I'm not going to one-itis it, I'm probably going out next Thursday and I'm going to try out some stuff I've read and seen regarding pick up (on other girls that is).
I will still try to game this girl btw, but I'm still learning and my game is still far from where it should be.
Maybe a few month ago I would go full one-itis on this chick, but I noticed a change of mindset within myself. For now, I would want to make out with this chick (and definitly more) and keep an option open for her as girlfriend (because I really do get along with her).