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I definately do. Manipulation is a core social skill that everyone does whether they know it or not.

I see it as any attempt to get what you want indirectly by building rapport to weaken a target's defenses. Whether it's sex, information, money, or influence, we have all learned from a young age that developing rapport with a person that has what you want makes it much easier to get it.

Some have this skill so engrained in their system that they don't know they're doing it. However, being a natural doesn't give them the right to denounce those who aren't as successful & have to learn manipulation skills on a conscious level.

all social interaction is manipulation. so I voted "yes and happy"

but if you mean in such ways that violate the individual being manipulated's personal beliefs, then I think thats wrong. Like lying and 'masks'

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We all wear masks, whether you like it or not, the art of pick up is SEDUCTION.

Seduction is manipulating.

Getting a girl to like you is manipulating.

See, because you're GETTING her to like you.

You're MAKING her, you're WEARING A MASK, essentially.

People don't want to see the real you, they want to see themselves inside of you.

People don't want to hear about how great you are, they want to hear about how great THEY are.

Essentially, manipulation is created everywhere, physically and mentally.

Yes, I manipulate people - I believe those who do not, live unhappy lives.

Always striving to help other people? Look at yourself first, stop being so nice!

Why do you think businessmen are making millions while the "nice guys" are working in factories making 4 dollars an hour?

Survival of the fittest - if manipulation will get me to sleep with the girl, form strong relationships, or better my life, I will do it.

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Some people consider that using NLP to create a strong connection is Manipulating, if so then I'm guilty.
Personally I wish everyone would be experts in NLP, the world would be a better place then!

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manipulation in my definition is to attempt to control an outcome. people buy flower to a crush aiming to impress. they dont buy flower to their normal female friends. they seek for an outcome and this is manipulation.

I personally think is okay to manipulate. that is what everyone do. I guess the word manipulation is being viewed negatively because people usually dont want to be manipulated due to most of the time manipulator try to get something out of it in other's expense. in the case of woman, we are just mutually working towards sex, if you don't feel like it we wont have sex. It's not like we rape them or something. The thing is we both like sex. So we are just manipulating for a mutual benefit.

Interesting . . .

So do any of you think that the last girl you pulled from a bar "really wanted" to suck your cock before she chatted with you? Did she really want to fuck your brains out before you turned her on?

I'm pretty sure the girl from Saturday night really wanted to fuck the bouncer until I manipulated her into thinking that sucking my cock was a better idea. I am happy I manipulated her. And judging by her 10am text the next morning. she was happy too.

Our culture's negative view of "manipulation" stems from generations of bad salesmen(manipulators) who tricked people into getting something that they regretted later. On the other hand, good salesmen(also manipulators) can trick customers to change their minds 180 degrees, yet have them ALWAYS thinking, "Wow, this brown and purple dress is what I really, really wanted all along . . ." This is the type of feedback good manipulators constantly receive.

It's no wonder that Chief and Rye think that whatever that they're doing is "what those girls truly want". . . They are two of the most talented manipulators on this board and all they probably ever hear is, "Thank you . . .(That is exactly what I wanted) "

Agreed.

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The above posts from BadolzoN and kasabi show why its a excellent idea to take a job as a sales guy. Or any other job where you have to manipulate people.

manipulating women aint good aye, we gotta do our doos and be a man! no point tricking chicks, thats being a dick!

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Its clear that there are several definitions of manipulation...however MOST portray that you are the active cause of a change in actions/behavior of another IN AN UNFAIR MANNER to benefit yourself. the word shrewd sums it up.

'Influence' is the more positive, whereby you simply produce effects on actions in others however not necessarily in an unfair manner.

The greatest leaders of our time are not seen as good manipulators...but rather good at influencing.

I think the difference comes in where the subject being influenced is happy about being influenced (win-win), or whether they 'go with it' unwillingly.

My opinion is that.........


Lay man's answer.
Learning how to tell a joke better is not manipulation.
Learning how to tell a story better is not manipulation.
The idea that learning how to do something better is manipulation is stupid.

Imagine if your woman told you that you couldn't fuck to save your life, but you decided to learn how to do it better by trying a 100 different things with her until finally you got better and she liked it. Is that manipulation, because you are manipulating her body to feel pleasure?


Complicated answer.
By definition any action intentionally done with the intent to get something would be considered manipulation. I don't think any guy on earth opens the door for a lady without some sort of agenda, whether to show respect, or gain trust, or a kiss, etc....Avoiding calling your wife fat when she asks if she has put on too much weight is manipulation, because most human beings tell the truth, and one has to take an intentional action not to say something that will offend her. And in terms of my comment on people telling the truth, it is just a fact of life, the human brain uses less energy and goes through less stress if you just tell the truth all day. It takes a second level of thought to lie, and it is at that point that manipulation takes place. Almost everything is manipulation.


Manipulation most people are talking about.
It is only ever the type of manipulation that people worry about. I.e. did you tell the girl you loved her and wanted to marry her just to fuck her. Did you tell her that you want babies just so you didn't have to wear a condom. Did you promise to stay the night, when in fact you knew you would leave once it was over.