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Not true. I've been doing this before you popped your first pubic hair and have 2 fwb's longer than you have been in pick up to know that this statement is pure bullshit.And your point is?So your proof of concept for what you're doing is an article that punishes a girl for bad behavior after you tell her "No worries, some other time!" You've verbally told her that she's done nothing wrong and then cut off communication. It's saying one thing and doing another and exposes a false frame.

I know that your thing is that you are trying to help guys, but you are going to make them lose more women if they follow your advice. You'll probably end up making another post on how well your plan worked out next week, but that fictional street game thread that you wrote makes any good results seem suspect.

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Haha you still don't get it. Any truth that you have ever come upon has been your own. Other people may have helped you get there, through positive or negative thought, but you own that truth.

Doing a soft-next is effective in this same way because it lets her find her own answer. Why hasn't he talked to me in three days? Was it something I did? Extensively field tested.

For your other comments, I don't care. Hate me. Or you might put your personal judgements behind and grow? Maybe what forums such as these are about? I know it's caused me to grow just being here in the short time I have.

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Umm. No. That's just an interpretation of what has already happened. It doesn't make it the truth.According to your previous statement, she will come up with her own "truth" since you are not providing her with honest information. Since you lie to her by saying "No worries" when you are really trying to punish her, her truth can easily become "he's not interested" or "he's not putting in any effort" or "he's an asshole". The negative possibilities can go on and on. If on the off chance she does realize that you are punishing her for cancelling on you even though you said it's okay that she did she'll think that you are overly sensitive if she has experience with any men. You don't realize these things and there is no way that you extensively field tested this. I don't hate you. To hate you would require too much negative energy. I just want you to stop trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. Getting better with women is important to a lot of guys here, but you want to tell these tall tales just to make yourself look good and they are not grounded in reality which if followed will cause lots of failures. Fulfilling your ego shouldn't come at the expense of others.

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Maybe try to have an open mind? Look inside bro. At sometime someone probably told you 2+2=4, likely you have no idea who that was and it doesn't matter because you know it to be true. I have tested this many times, don't believe me. You say I'm lying to her by saying no worries, you of course could interpret this, but what I am saying with my actions and words combined matters most. "No worries, some other time!" Is truly what I mean by these words. I am glad this comes up early in the relationship. It's not a big deal. I asked you to present your way which would have led to a better outcome, I have yet to get a concrete answer on what your way is, and how it works to a better outcome. It's important to me too and assure you that nothing I have said anywhere on here has been false. Lots of failures is a good thing in game. I would guess it likely that you know that if you failed more often earlier in your time in game it wouldn't have taken so long. But tell me exactly how I am harming other guys in their development of game by sharing my opinions and experience.

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Difference is that it's not an interpretation. So this is a nonsensical argument.How would it be a better outcome? No flaking. No having to use a plan to punish her. Her knowing that my word is my word. Her understanding that I don't play games. Her never responding to games with games which will lead to more unnecessary punishments.I see where you are trying to go with this. I told you in a previous thread that I've been at this for 15 years and the first 5 I wasn't doing it right. So let me elaborate on why I wasn't doing it right. I was being dishonest with women about my intent. I would say whatever I needed to say and toy with their emotions to keep them around longer.

How you are hurting other guys is that you are providing stories that will lose women:
1. Have sex with her - Good so far
2. You suggest not saying that you have no intentions except her being a fb even though her actions suggest she wants more. - Shady and not masculine. She will resent it when she figures it out and move on. If you tell her, she will stay...may try to change your mind, but she'll continue on.
3. When she flakes, you say "no worries" - I wouldn't do that but okay
4. Cut communication for flaking - Won't work after reassuring her that everything was okay

Only way that cutting communication works is if she knows the actions you aren't happy with otherwise you're just an asshole that won't return her calls or texts. Even your article you linked is based on her having an understanding of what she did wrong. But what you are suggesting generates more problems for the future. When she's upset, she'll go no contact. If she wants to flake again, she knows you'll call in a few days and you won't be man enough to say that flaking is unacceptable. If she isn't the game playing type, she'll hard next you.

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Not in this situation. There was no pushing against the flake it was already a solid, "I am hanging out with my nephew, you can join if you want. If you do come we can have sex later." I appreciate the analysis and I would have clear indication that I was doing something wrong with my intentions, but I have only ever had one girl get mad at me for any thing done in a relationship-this was because of course intentions were not communicated after two months. A mistake I learned not to make since.
Try it and see. Do we field test things on this forum? Usually it takes one soft-next and she is an angel for a long time. I have never had to do two soft-nexts on a girl. What's cool is they always respect you and your time more.

I do wonder though, how exactly you communicate to her that her behavior is unacceptable? For me, I never tell her any negative communication. Never. I don't associate negativity with me in any way, rather the negativity is brought about in her mind by loss of attention by me at least in this case. My thoughts on this is that fighting with a women, associate your face, voice, and words with you in a negative way. If she sees a text from you saying "You stood me up, this is unacceptable." It just associates you in a negative way.

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Not solid at all. Why would she change plans that were already made without consulting you first? Also, it's fictional. Women would assume that you liked them and would want to hang out and since you have already had sex there would be no need to offer it again because it's a given. What you don't get is that you don't have to do these things. You act like this is a new idea. It's an old tactic with a new name. How you apply it is wrong. How can she respect your time when you've already verbally given her a pass that it's okay to do it? How does she identify that you really did have problems with flaking? But you're also a fiction writer. On the surface you write well, but once you get below the flaws are exposed. Once it's exposed you try to and add a little bit of information to make yourself look better...such as the part of the text that you didn't read. If you don't make any sense, you switch to philosophy and try to make statements that can't be argued. Wrong. You don't associate masculinity with you in any way. You fear the outcome if a woman doesn't like what you have to say. So you act in a vaginal way. The reason that you don't know how to communicate unacceptable behavior is because you are outcome dependent, so you use someone else's idea(I'm being polite because you are a fiction writer).

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Not interested in that at all. In fact I see my error through your help, through you I have found the piece I was missing. The correct response should have been a "Not cool!" to her text then radio silence. I find it too bad that you can't mention the specific way you would have handled this.

I will keep updating as this goes along because it's very likely she will turn things around, just like it usually happens.

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Pickup On Fire Interview
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Sounds like you're having an issue with your personal boundaries. More specifically apprehension with drawing healthy one, and the manner to which you go about doing so.

On a random note, I wouldn't be using text messaging to do this.

Of course you've found it because I kept saying it. I kept telling you that you were telling her everything was okay and then behaving as if it weren't. You kept saying it was good because it makes her wonder what's wrong. However, I'm glad you can see that you were in error now. You're welcome.

As for not telling you specific, how is me saying that I would tell her that we had plans for that night and I wasn't okay with her changing them? Was I supposed to put it in quotes? Did you figure out that "not cool" is your way of communicating that you weren't happy with her changing plans? I've figure that your game was intermediate enough for you to be able to choose your own words. I apologize for assuming that.

Now all we have to do is get you to be upfront about your intentions and we'll shave off two years for you making it to where I'm at. I have hope for you yet.

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OP (and anyone for that matter) you'd benefit immensely learning Non-Violent Communication (Marshall Rosenberg). In short its a way of attending to your own needs (as well as hearing the need's language beyond the words of others) and having others help you meet those needs. There IS no second guessing as you're being authentic and congruent with your behavior and whats actually going on inside of you.

Thank me later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEqmZ2E1o64

Agreed

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Update on this girl:

I was going to text her today, but she did first.

Her: Hi, sexy
Me: Hey I was thinking about u!
Her: That's good watcha doin?
Me: I'm at a training right now
Her: Do you wanna hang out later?
Me: I got plans tonight but I could do tomorrow
Her: What would you wanna do?

I thought it would come around like this. The last text I see as a challenge. Likely she is seeing if I just want her for sex or something more. I do want something more from her, I also welcome the challenge. My thoughts about texting back are:

1. Have sex. [I would say this, but I can't guarantee we will because if she isn't shaved I ain't going all the way]
2. Hang out. [This is what I will say.]

The next we do hang out, likely tomorrow I will have to do a good job of comfort and let her know I'm not just interested in her for sex. I will keep this updated.

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Go back earlier in this thread and I already told you how to do this.

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