Yeah i don't really hate women, i just hate the type of women i settle for and want to break the cycle and have choice for once.

and with all due respect, don't hijack my thread lol

I sense that you're one those guys that are fearless when it comes to approaching but are oblivious to fundamentals. I find this is a very common situation

Feel free to PM me a pic of you, i can picture a pretty good sense of what your problem is but looking at how you hold yourself

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Sure just give me a sec

Though I'm not so sure what else i could really do outside of possibly just being direct from the get go

I start conversation, I ask her open ended questions/assuming questions based on something interesting about her, i make sure i playfully tease her, i gradually start light touching to all out hand holding, and i get her number and bounce.

Maybe I'm not forward enough?

My bad for jacking your post. I just found myself having the same issue as you. For me even coming to this website was a bit out of my comfort zone. I am glad that we all found a way to find each other. I feel blessed man and I am looking forward to the adventure.

All good man

Even when I'm having a dry spell now, i still have it in my head that women aren't obligated to give us attention or sleep with us just because we're cool guys. If a situation fucks up, 99% it's because we didn't come across as the best possible choice to get physical with and she wasn't interested. Flat out.

Nobody gives prizes to sort of winners (or they shouldn't) and if they did, you won't want it anyway

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hmm, you seem to have the fundamentals...do you think you have an character traits that repel women? For example, I have a friend that seems to get too excited whenever he is taking to girl and scares them away.

Ask some friends of yours of what these faults could be perhaps.

Looking like you, approaching and making a move, you should be getting laid every now and then by default so it is gotta be your behaviour

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I think I'm going to have a voice recorder on me and try to upload it. Outside of fully filming the interaction i don't know what else to do

No, it's your behaviour i suspect, not your voice

Unless you have an extreme squeaky camp voice that you're not telling us about

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Im pretty sure i have a normal voice. It's not like im super short either at 5'7"

Stop listing physical shit lol

I am saying it is probably your behaviour

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Haha you're right. I guess what i was trying to convey was that I'm in no way insecure about my physical appearance or my tonality

I'm going to try and be more direct about my interest in them rather than being in direct

I do get anxious about offending them so I'm going to try and fight that and be more steadfast in letting them know what i want.

Similar to how you tell someone whos shy or too quiet to act like a clown and they end up acting more level headed than usual. Maybe this is my problem.

Social experiment time!

Good luck man. Last night I got laid by a girl that I've known for awhile and I realized that even when I've technically won and am already in bed I am still thinking about competition. That is probably my biggest downfall. Sometimes how you think affects your behavior.

Update:

So approached a girl who i noticed was taking a picture of ne with her phone. Started joking around cause she was sending a snap to friends and i just happened to be in the picture.

she said something about it being hot out and i said something along the lines of "oh i thought said 'you are hot' and thought 'oh wow thank you, i was just about to say i thought you were pretty cute too"

Basically being cocky funny and she seemed to enjoy it. Didn't really get a chance to say that much else because i had to run to class but i handed her my phone and said put your number in and we'll grab coffee. She agreed and gave me her number and i went to class.

Texted her after class asking "so how famous am i now with all your snapchat friends? " and no response. Sigh

At least i gave myself an opportunity to be a bit more direct but haven't really got around to straight up approaching and being direct from the get-go. For once I'm having a little anxiety about it since I've never been that direct before when opening a convo

Good job

See, you're not that repulsive.

Next time after you break the ice, try to form more a connection to prevent flake-tion, this is essentially why we are all learning game here.

I think you started this thread at the infant states of learning pick up. This is like starting up a business. There will be a 1st dip to get over that will kick your ass but you have to fight through it.

If you do what you're doing with 10 more girls and form more of a connection, then you will be getting laid by default

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Ninja Update

She texted back "oh, pretty famous"

I waited a few minutes and responded "oh, kinda what i expected actually. When you get out of class though, let's grab coffee"

Still waiting for a response. I've been trying not to be too wordy or overly eager through text but also trying not to draw the convo out