There are reasons that she may keep bring this guy up. One of those reasons is because she has told her exbf that the two of you guys are best friends while the two of them were together and ending up with you would make her feel guilty. It could be because that part of your relationship as friends was her talking to you about him. Whatever the reason is, you don't need to care about it. If it's bothering you, tell her that she needs to quit talking about him in front of you.

What it seems like to me is that you are going to find a reason not to escalate past friendly, best female friend type of kino. While she is throwing you multiple signals asking you to make a move, you're focusing on one reason you shouldn't.

Here's what's going to happen...she is going to get tired of waiting for you to do something. There's going to be another guy that doesn't give a fuck about her exbf and he's going to fuck her and she is going to start telling you about him and you are going to be her best friend and listen.

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There are reasons that she may keep bring this guy up. One of those reasons is because she has told her exbf that the two of you guys are best friends while the two of them were together and ending up with you would make her feel guilty. It could be because that part of your relationship as friends was her talking to you about him. Whatever the reason is, you don't need to care about it. If it's bothering you, tell her that she needs to quit talking about him in front of you.

What it seems like to me is that you are going to find a reason not to escalate past friendly, best female friend type of kino. While she is throwing you multiple signals asking you to make a move, you're focusing on one reason you shouldn't.

Here's what's going to happen...she is going to get tired of waiting for you to do something. There's going to be another guy that doesn't give a fuck about her exbf and he's going to fuck her and she is going to start telling you about him and you are going to be her best friend and listen.[/quote]

You got me! I keep using the excuse that all the signals she is giving me is just friend zoned shit and I keep thinking that I am friend zoned.. But now when you say it, there are more than one thing that she has done that hints otherwise.


Examples:
I was holding her hand and walking with her in the night and some of her friends said " cute couple" and basically she said "whitenigga, is such an amazing guy, always watching out for me" and she DIDN'T reject the idea. everytime someone mentions a relationship between me and her she never rejects me.


you got me so motivated and confident in escalating with her. i salute you. thanks. it really all adds up in my mine.

Before you try to play games with her I suggest you work on your inner-game. When you're confident you don't resort to lame-ass crap like ignoring a chick.

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After you've broken rapport for awhile tell her "if you want me in your life we're going to have to give it a real chance"

When she's close to you put the palm of your hand behind the right side of her head and pull her in closely and kiss her. Keep your energy amplified to an insanely positive level. If she blocks you just listen to what should says, but dont say anything.

Your frame of mind and energy are going to be the most important thing.

Try it again, dont force anything but just try it again and see what happens.

If youve been friends for a really long time this might be intense as fuck, but youre just going to have to risk it.

If she blocks you again, leave the situation, still in a positive mindset, and break rapport again.

Dont say anything needy, or even say anything at all if you can help it. Break rapport and leave, do not contact her first.

Good luck.

This part, no. Verbalization leads to analysis of your words and it's also an ultimatum. She'll start weighing pros and cons and could set you up for rejection. The rest is a yes.

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You made bad moves throughout this entire thing. As someone else said, you shouldve just made a move instead of pull away. Hit her up, invite her to catch up, have a good time, go back to all the holding hands stuff....and kiss her. Warning: she may not like you that way. Respect that. It's one girl. You can accept that and be her friend, if she adds something to your life.

PS: GUYS STOP THIS POUTY "I like her but she doesnt like me so I need to cut her from my life so I don't cry" shit. It's one girl. If she doesnt like you, accept it. If it pains you to know a girl doesn't like you work on your inner game or something. Make a move, but respect the chicks wishes if she doesnt like you like that.

this happen to me exactly one year ago and almost exactly the same story, so my advice to you is, BE A MAN AND KISS HER DUDE

Guys....

So I saw a picture on facebook "if your friend doesn't comment within 30minutes they owe you food from mcdonalds".

NOTE: i was in no way gonna make her pay for the dinner. i was planing to surprise her and tell her we walk to mcd. and then outside the street there would be a cab. blindfold her and make the cab drive to a fancy restaurant.
obv. done in a charmful way.

I tagged her on the picture and she was online and shit but she first replied to that after the 30 minutes passed.
Now i called her and told her, "THIS WEDNESDAY. ME AND you" and she was like "i have assignments but i will look find a day for us. i promise you"

Now i heard from her friends that she is skipping classes to catch up on her assignments. So there could be some truth in that.

Furthermore, she is systemically copying "my game" by for instance delaying txt answers. Yet she does a whole shit of IOI's. I met her today and i grabbed her hand and we did palm reading. Tons of touchy, touchy which also was initiated by her and not only me.

My question is: How do I approach this? Do I break rapport again?

I'm trying to understand why you think you need to break rapport. She gives you IOI's and you think the proper response is to back off?

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This, again.

From the very first reply in this forum, none of us have been able to figure out why you're doing this...

The reason that I originally broke rapport was to create intensity and attraction and because I convinced myself that all the IOI's she gave me was friendly. So i broke rapport, to reconnect with her. Emotionally like in the past but also sexually this time.

You know She is my best friend and I was utterly convinced that all the IOI's were friend zone.

I feel like breaking rapport to situations like this, because its the time that she spends away from me that stirs up the attraction. I feel like, if I play hard2get she will be extremely easy to deal with.

For instance, she started a text conversation with me today and I replied to her text (of course with delayed response) and she read my message and didn't reply...
Normally I would break rapport with a girl if she did that.

But what do you guys suggest I do this then since breaking rapport aint the answer to this fucked up behavior.

First, let's make sure we are on the same page. By definition an IOI is an indicator of interest (yeah, basic). What you are describing is a woman that is more into you than just a friend. That means you are in an advantageous position with her.

I think that the way you are looking at it is going to cause more problems than good. Meaning, the way we treat women teaches them how to deal with us. You are starting a cycle that makes it when she shows you interest, you are punishing her for it. At some point she is going to learn not to show you interest. If she stops showing you interest, that's her first step into not being interested anymore.

You need to go the route of making her rewarded for showing interest. That allows you to lead her in the direction that you want her to go with you. At the same time, you can playfully tease her for the IOI's to create the tension if that's what you want.

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Yeah. Well, IOI means indicator of interest yes (touching you, reinintating conversation, laughing at your jokes etc, complimenting you) But she does all of this. But I CONVINCED my self that she was doing this because she liked me. AS A friend.

Hence I researched on how to get out of the friend zone, where I from there could read (from threads on this forum aswell) that the right approach to escape the friend zone is to disappear (break rapport).
I understand that routine and I will follow it.

At the moment, I have asked her out and gave her a day. but she refused the day, and promised to find another day.
So nothing.

What do I do in the mean time? Kino, Kino, kino?

The only reason that you are in the friend zone is because you put yourself in there, not her. The route you're taking will eventually have her agree for you to be in the friend zone. I bet all of the posts that you read about being in the friend zone are about guys that are being told that they are just friends and they have no ability to escalate with the women that they are interested in. Your situation isn't like that. She hasn't told you that the two of you will only be friends and she hasn't told you that your kino escalation is unwanted. She hasn't pulled away from flirtatious kino. Those friend zone tactics do not apply to you.

I don't understand why you need to ask her out and at the same time in the position to kino escalate. You two are already spending time in each others company. A kiss doesn't require a scheduled date.

I think from everything that you are saying so far is that you want this girl to confirm her interest in you either verbally or to agreeing to go out on a date with you. That way you don't have to face rejection if you decide that you do want to kiss her.

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I can't have my first kiss with her publicly in a bus station in front of all my friends and her friends. Second of all, she often has her best girl-friend with her (all situations) and I just don't feel comfortable doing it when im not alone with her, hence the risk of rejection + her not feeling comfortable could fuck it up.

Kino is not as hard, because I did that to start with ONCE I was alone with her. Therefore is no risk of public rejection. Just for the heck of it, I never kino escalated her into sexual areas (boobs, ass, pussy) .