This is one of those perfect moments to look back at what you are actually saying. You have a belief that you need to have an attention grabbing opener for reopening communication. That should never be true unless there was a real time constraint when you got the girl's phone number. The fact that you would have to reopen a new girl means the moment she gave you her phone number, she was up in the air about you. The truth is that you should not ask for a phone number unless the girl is flirting back with you and taking a real interest with what you are saying and hopefully asking questions about you or wanting to hear your opinions on whatever you guys are talking about. You tell her that you want to meet up and you'll call her about a day to do it, if you cannot get the day and time during your initial meet. When you get a conversation to that point and then get her phone number, you are pretty much home free. The moment that you call her (I avoid establishing communication by text like the plague), you give her a nice greeting and then tell her when you want to meet up. Once she agrees, then you can decide if you want to keep a conversation going. If you don't get to that point, she may not even remember what she found attractive about you and then you have a flake.

To the point of OP's issue, a second text wouldn't have harmed him as long as it served a purpose. A second "what are you doing" text would not be a good thing.

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My bad what a should have said instead of attention grabbing is less generic, and more personalized. Such hey her name its so and so from club whatever then transistion into a convo however you see fit maybe with some call back humor etc, but its just my opinion that if a guy meets a girl texts her she doesn't answer and he contunues to try and contact her he does not have a mentality of abundance. I'm gonna reccomend you check out Corey Wayne's material then you'll see what I'm saying. And for example I met a girl a couple weeks ago she didn't want to give me her # so she gave me her fb I sent her a msg she replied. Then saw my next msg and didn't reply then a week later she msg'd me back we talked a little more, and same thing, but she replied in her own time, and we talked some more now we're going out this saturday. Now do you think we would be going out this saturday if once I noticed she saw my msg, but didn't reply I sent her 3 more? Or would she think this guy is a creep? You must have infinite patients with women. And that's not what you're suggesting to him.

We're from 2 different schools of thought here I'm not saying you're wrong I'm saying I don't agree with you. I have multiple women in my life so if one doesn't return my text I don't give it a second thought. Either she'll get back to me or not and if not like the old saying goes all's fair in love and war.

You make it sound as if I'm suggesting to send endless amounts of messages. I'm suggesting a second one and how to go about it. I watched the Corey Wayne material and you have taken an example and it isn't even close to what OP has done. OP sent a pointless message and is trying to figure out what to do next. He can wait or he can send a message with a point.

Having an attitude of abundance while communicating incorrectly is pointless. If you have an abundance attitude but are not able to get the girl interested, you will never have an abundance of women.

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Let's go a little deeper into this. The whole time we're saying his 1st text was pointless I don't think that's a 100% true it was lame, but not pointless. I'm guessing op's end goal was to talk to her a little bit and arrange a date. Not just sit around and text at how her day was going, and being a woman with a woman's intuition I'm sure she knows that too. So he sends his text hoping to get from opener to convo, but she's unwilling to progress things past the opener, so in all likelyhood she's not interested in going to get drinks. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't grasp the concept of going out of your way to take a girl out when she can't even be bothered to return your text.

Take that one step further a lot of 9's 10's are complete bitches why? Because weak ass guys they've been with basically train them to be that way by letting them walk all over them. So what are you communicating to this girl? Imo if he were to invite her out for drinks after she ignored him it would be saying hey its ok that you ignored me I'm still gonna invite you out for drinks and spend my precious time with you. Even though you ignored me, and if you ignore me again I'll probably do the same thing. Once again I'm not saying that's the case I'm saying that's my opinion.

I think even though you are going deeper, you're at the surface of what I'm talking about. His text was pointless because it was just a call for attention and whatever she answered with did not matter in the least. So while she could have seen the text, if she was in the middle of something it didn't require an answer in the moment because it gave no sense of urgency even though she may have intended to get back with him later, as most of us do when it comes to texting and getting around to it never happens. That doesn't mean disinterest and it doesn't mean that another text would be viewed as creepy. Just when you text her again, give her something that she can work with. So treating it as a throw away can be viewed as a choice. I'm not saying it's a good choice or a bad choice as long as you are happy with the result.

My main point is that if you are doing seduction properly, she is going to respond and respond soon because she knows why you are contacting her. For example, if you would have built emotional value with that girl that denied giving you her phone number and made you settle for Facebook instead, not only would you have gotten her phone number you would have also had her respond to you as soon as it was possible for her. Instead of waiting weeks to meet up, she would want to meet up with you within a day or two.

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Good fuck.
I wonder if any benign text has ever been this over analyzed by people who aren't even a party to the conversation.

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Overanalyzed? We are talking about whether or not it warranted another message to her. We both pretty much agree that the message itself is garbage and that part has been clear from the beginning.

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This is a convo between Jack and myself discussing our opposing view points. If you have something intelligent to add feel free if not then carry on.

My fb example wasn't really an accurate to this situation. It was more to show my view point of having patients, but what happened with her is I met her we talked a bit, but there was a time constraint, and this girl had defense like I have never seen before my guess is she had been hurt previously, and with the time I had with her she was only willing to give me her fb. Fair enough, and she seemed like a cool likeable girl so I decided to take that, and was confident I could break her defense down, but after the 1st time we talked I realized that ya I can do it, but I'm gonna have to do it at whatever pace she allows.

So giving it a few days and then sending a text to meet up doesn't imply patience?

I think your scenario contradicts your attitude of abundance.
1. She refused to give you her phone number. An attitude of abundance would have said you have plenty of girls that you have phone numbers for, so fuck her and her Facebook.
2. She made you wait a week for a response. An attitude of abundance would have you say that you have plenty of women that will respond right now.
3. You tell yourself that you have to move at whatever pace that she allows. An attitude of abundance would say that you have enough women that are willing to move at your pace.

The bottom line is that you want this specific girl and you are willing to do what it takes to get her. OP wants a specific girl, just as you do. I've given him a step in that direction and he can choose to follow it or not. If he follows it, he will have a definite answer when it comes to interest or not. If she says no or ignores him, he can still have an attitude of abundance but at the same time not treat it as a throw away.

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My rule of thumb is never send a second text until you hear back now there are exceptions say the convo ends and you're start another one later on, but if you text her something that requires an answer and she doesn't reply don't bother sending another text.

Going back to my situation once again I did a shitty job of laying it out. From the short time I had to talk to her I decided she was a cool likable girl I knew it was gonna take some work, but the fact that I was willing to do that work doesn't contradict my abundance mentality because all the while I'm talking to other women dating other women I didn't cut them all out and put all my money on this girl. Simple fact is some girls aren't gonna give it up as easily as other, and are gonna be more of a challenge sure I could have said fuck her and her facebook, but all that would have communicated is that I'm not up for a challenge.

I recently reconnected with a girl on okc we talked she didn't want to give me her number she said she wasn't interested in dating boxers anymore (she boxes as well) but I could add her on fb I politely declined because I wasn't looking for friendship. That is abundance I didn't settle for less than what I wanted and walked knowing there are many girls that will give me what I want . The other girl she was interested it was just gonna be more of a challenge.

Back to op's situation my rule is I don't send a 2nd text maybe he can and it will work out for him, but its not what I would do. Anyway if that is what he decides to do I hope it works for him.

Sure, I can understand that being your rule and I have no issue with that. My issue is that you say if he sends another text it means he has no abundance mentality. At what point did I say that he couldn't go after other women because he took 10 seconds out of his schedule to contact one he already knows? At what point did HE say he wasn't pursuing other women?

My point has been and will continue to be is if you get a girl's phone number she should know what to expect when you contact her. There should be no dancing around why you are contacting her. In OP's case, it doesn't look like she would know why he's asking this and put him on the back burner if she has any interest at all. His only way to find out if there is any interest is to contact her again. This time do it with a point. It's like you said, some women are more difficult than others.

I was going to use your boxer chick as another example as how it related to this issue, but I'm starting to notice a trend of how you end up saying that things aren't a good example.

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