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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:11 pm 
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Hi Chelsea, can you shed some light on some things for me? Girls like sex, as I have personally experienced as well as they sometimes can allude to, though usually, publicly, they deny and avoid it at all costs. Also, as evidenced by people like Johnny Soporno, there are women out there to open sexual relationships. What would you tell guys who wish to quickly and easily find the kind of women who are in touch with their sexuality, and may be more open to engaging in such relationships?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:13 am 
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Hi Chelsea, can you shed some light on some things for me? Girls like sex, as I have personally experienced as well as they sometimes can allude to, though usually, publicly, they deny and avoid it at all costs. Also, as evidenced by people like Johnny Soporno, there are women out there to open sexual relationships. What would you tell guys who wish to quickly and easily find the kind of women who are in touch with their sexuality, and may be more open to engaging in such relationships?
Yes women like sex, because women are people and people like sex (excluding asexual people, but I'm assuming you don't mean those). How frequently, in what style, and with whom are the differentiators. Also, for women there is a lot of societal pressure attached (e.g. "Be sexy, but don't be too sexy or you'll be a slut! But don't be too frigid!") which could be why these girls you refer to might be reluctant to admit they enjoy sex in public; they don't want someone to have cause to call them a slut. (In my experience it usually depends on the politics of the people/place, none of my friends find it shameful to admit that they like sex, but then they're liberal, sex-positive people)
Back to your question!:
Do you specifically mean girls who are looking for a one-night stand?
It's difficult to find out "quickly" because if you go up to a random woman at a bar or club and say "Sex?" you're likely to piss someone off (quite rightly). Which means that you have to resort to the tactics pretty much everyone uses when looking for casual sex. Usually you can either flirt with women (at bars, clubs, parties) and if they seem interested and are flirting back eventually ask if they'd like to come back to your place (or however you generally pick up women) OR resort to other avenues such as Tinder or a dating website, and to make it clear in your profile or when talking to a girl that you're not interested in a relationship (without coming across as an entitled asshole, which is tricky to pull off to be honest).

If you have some more specific questions I can try to help, but i'm not entirely sure what you're asking.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 12:30 am 
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Ok, lets assume you are out wherever you may prefer to be, and you are open to a casual encounter. You see a guy who may be candidate. What would be the perfect way for him to go about it with you? What would be said or done that would get him home with you that night. Or perhaps, the next night? Theres no reason you cant just be friends who sleep together.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:15 am 
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Ok, lets assume you are out wherever you may prefer to be, and you are open to a casual encounter. You see a guy who may be candidate. What would be the perfect way for him to go about it with you? What would be said or done that would get him home with you that night. Or perhaps, the next night? Theres no reason you cant just be friends who sleep together.
I think the problem with sites like this is that they can make it seem as if there is a perfect formula that applies to every women, "If you say X and do Y then she'll agree to sleep with you." Which isn't how it works. Some things to bear in mind however;
1) If a woman is not open to having a sexual relationship with you (whether a one-off or not) no tips or tricks you try will change her mind. These kind of pick-up moves only work on women who are at least OPEN to the possibility of having sex with you (or are not sure and are trying to see).
2) Women all like different things in men. Some might actually be attracted to the macho-male routine, some aren't.

I personally am not. If a guy comes up to me at a bar and "negs" me or tries some cheesy line he's pretty much lost me from the start, regardless of looks. If a guy comes up and tries to get to know me and makes jokes and is genuinely nice and charming then he's in with a big head start (that might seem like a lot to ask, but really, as a lot of the people on this forum have already said, most of that is just about confidence, or faking it at least.)

Real life examples;
1) A guy in my dorm at college was an abercrombie model, and acted like he knew it. He was super cocky and went around introducing himself as a model, and in terms of casual sex with girls who never really got to know his personality, it worked for him. But every girl who had had a conversation with him of more than 5 sentences thought he was unbearable.
2) My last serious boyfriend on the other hand, was average looking, but genuinely kind and probably the funniest guy I've ever met, and that made me more attracted to him than anything else.
3) A guy who's in between is a friend of mine who honestly isn't that attractive, but he always goes home with girls at parties because he's incredibly confident, shows a lot of (supposedly) sincere interest in them, and is generally charming. He also maintains genuine friendships with a lot of them outside of hooking up, so they don't mind being his occasional booty-call (or using him as a booty-call) because they know he's not just some asshole who will never speak to them again, even if he's not looking for a relationship. Then again, these are girls who aren't looking for relationships either, so it's a lot of context.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 3:00 am 
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Hmm... ok that was some useful stuff. I can usually have decent conversations with women, be genuinely interested and such, though my issue usually seems to be that it never gets "turned up" it just stays casual conversation. If you had a "genuine friendship" with a guy that you kinda like, how would you like him to broach the subject of getting intimate?


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I didn't "test" anyone, "fat" and "ugly" are relative terms, you might consider a woman fat who another person considers normal, you might find someone attractive, who another person doesn't find attractive.
I know guys who prefer girls with big asses and breasts and thighs, and find skinny women unattractive. Whether you buy into western cultural prescriptive beauty norms is your business.
I'm not talking about people who "look like mushrooms" or have bad hygiene. I'm talking about average joe's who have more to offer than their looks.
It's not Politically Correct, to not call someone a pig, it's common politeness.
I don't "make it my point" to go out with anyone of a particular level of attractiveness. I don't automatically disqualify potential partners because they're an 8 or under. It goes both ways too, if a guy comes up to me who looks like Brad Pitt but he has an awful personality I'm not going to let him in my pants regardless.
Let me clarify this because it seems you may have taken it a bit personally. A shit test happens when a man makes a statement that is usually considered bold one. In turn the woman will challenge his statement. Both of these things just happened. It's okay...it's natural.
Dw it's not you I was irritated by
Something for your research: PUA has changed my perspective on the above exchange. Pre-PUA, hearing that I would think that Jack_Zero had a better chance with you because (a) you're talking to him, and (b) you're confiding in him by badmouthing another guy. In contrast, you've said outright that you're irritated by Charles Finlay, so he must have struck out, right?

Post-PUA, I know that Finlay has a better chance, that the moment a woman starts badmouthing other guys to you and confiding in you, YOU'VE struck out, not them. That to be a meaningful figure in a woman's world (such as irritating her like Finlay irritated you) is far better than to be an innocuous and forgettable figure.

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PS It's incredibly cute that you think the guys on this forum need help. Every woman who comes on here thinks the same thing. We're here because your advice failed us.

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Ok, lets assume you are out wherever you may prefer to be, and you are open to a casual encounter. You see a guy who may be candidate. What would be the perfect way for him to go about it with you? What would be said or done that would get him home with you that night. Or perhaps, the next night? Theres no reason you cant just be friends who sleep together.
I think the problem with sites like this is that they can make it seem as if there is a perfect formula that applies to every women, "If you say X and do Y then she'll agree to sleep with you." Which isn't how it works. Some things to bear in mind however;
1) If a woman is not open to having a sexual relationship with you (whether a one-off or not) no tips or tricks you try will change her mind. These kind of pick-up moves only work on women who are at least OPEN to the possibility of having sex with you (or are not sure and are trying to see).
2) Women all like different things in men. Some might actually be attracted to the macho-male routine, some aren't.

I personally am not. If a guy comes up to me at a bar and "negs" me or tries some cheesy line he's pretty much lost me from the start, regardless of looks. If a guy comes up and tries to get to know me and makes jokes and is genuinely nice and charming then he's in with a big head start (that might seem like a lot to ask, but really, as a lot of the people on this forum have already said, most of that is just about confidence, or faking it at least.)

Real life examples;
1) A guy in my dorm at college was an abercrombie model, and acted like he knew it. He was super cocky and went around introducing himself as a model, and in terms of casual sex with girls who never really got to know his personality, it worked for him. But every girl who had had a conversation with him of more than 5 sentences thought he was unbearable.
2) My last serious boyfriend on the other hand, was average looking, but genuinely kind and probably the funniest guy I've ever met, and that made me more attracted to him than anything else.
3) A guy who's in between is a friend of mine who honestly isn't that attractive, but he always goes home with girls at parties because he's incredibly confident, shows a lot of (supposedly) sincere interest in them, and is generally charming. He also maintains genuine friendships with a lot of them outside of hooking up, so they don't mind being his occasional booty-call (or using him as a booty-call) because they know he's not just some asshole who will never speak to them again, even if he's not looking for a relationship. Then again, these are girls who aren't looking for relationships either, so it's a lot of context.
I don't think you've grasped the concept of PUA yet.
1. Any man that will tell you that there is a trick to get an uninterested woman into sex is either trying to sell their books, a course, or trying to impress other men and not women. However, we know that there are qualities that an attractive man has. You know the kind of guy you would look at and may or may not be physically attracted to but would say "There's just something about him".
2. The guys that I can tell have real success with women never talk about how they negged a woman or had a cheesy line to win them over. They hold regular conversations and let you know that they find you attractive. A neg has it's time and place, but it's not ever needed if you really are a man that is attractive to women. In my opinion, and that's all it is, it's a tool that an rAFC uses to help gain confidence when it is shaken while talking to an attractive woman. But it's typically the outsiders of the PUA community that promote its use to help warn women about the manipulative, sneaky, scheming PUA.
3. Your Abercrombie model example is a great example of a PUA mentality and at the same time your last serious boyfriend is one as well. Both guys get what they want regardless of how they get there and from how you describe it, they were both honest about what they wanted. I applaud them both.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:36 pm 
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Something for your research: PUA has changed my perspective on the above exchange. Pre-PUA, hearing that I would think that Jack_Zero had a better chance with you because (a) you're talking to him, and (b) you're confiding in him by badmouthing another guy. In contrast, you've said outright that you're irritated by Charles Finlay, so he must have struck out, right?

Post-PUA, I know that Finlay has a better chance, that the moment a woman starts badmouthing other guys to you and confiding in you, YOU'VE struck out, not them. That to be a meaningful figure in a woman's world (such as irritating her like Finlay irritated you) is far better than to be an innocuous and forgettable figure.
I can ASSURE you, Finlay has most definitely struck out. Oddly enough I just find irritating men irritating. If I was out at a bar, and Finlay had said something rude to my face and Jack_Zero had come up to me after and said something along the lines of "Wow that guy was an asshole" I would have have wanted to talk to him.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:37 pm 
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PS It's incredibly cute that you think the guys on this forum need help. Every woman who comes on here thinks the same thing. We're here because your advice failed us.

I think it's incredibly cute that you think that the gender you should turn to when wanting to understand women isn't women. Also, I'm not trying to patronize you all, I'm saying on the off-chance that one of you actually cares or is interested in how an actual woman actually thinks, I'm available.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:39 pm 
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I don't think you've grasped the concept of PUA yet.
1. Any man that will tell you that there is a trick to get an uninterested woman into sex is either trying to sell their books, a course, or trying to impress other men and not women. However, we know that there are qualities that an attractive man has. You know the kind of guy you would look at and may or may not be physically attracted to but would say "There's just something about him".
2. The guys that I can tell have real success with women never talk about how they negged a woman or had a cheesy line to win them over. They hold regular conversations and let you know that they find you attractive. A neg has it's time and place, but it's not ever needed if you really are a man that is attractive to women. In my opinion, and that's all it is, it's a tool that an rAFC uses to help gain confidence when it is shaken while talking to an attractive woman. But it's typically the outsiders of the PUA community that promote its use to help warn women about the manipulative, sneaky, scheming PUA.
3. Your Abercrombie model example is a great example of a PUA mentality and at the same time your last serious boyfriend is one as well. Both guys get what they want regardless of how they get there and from how you describe it, they were both honest about what they wanted. I applaud them both.
In this case though, why even have the title PUA? Surely a PUA is a guy who uses "canned material" to get girls, as opposed to just a regular guy who talks to them and uses normal social skills?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:41 pm 
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Hmm... ok that was some useful stuff. I can usually have decent conversations with women, be genuinely interested and such, though my issue usually seems to be that it never gets "turned up" it just stays casual conversation. If you had a "genuine friendship" with a guy that you kinda like, how would you like him to broach the subject of getting intimate?
If I was interested in him romantically at all, literally all he would have to say during a conversation is "This might seem out of the blue but would you like to get dinner some time?" or some variation of that. If I am interested I'll say yes.


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In this case though, why even have the title PUA? Surely a PUA is a guy who uses "canned material" to get girls, as opposed to just a regular guy who talks to them and uses normal social skills?
Some men use "canned material", but most guys who are experienced and confident realize that they can drop the acts and entertainment. Think about it like learning to ride a bike. When you start off you use training wheels (canned material) and there's a point when you realize you don't need training wheels anymore and you can ride it on your own.

As for why have the title? It's a group of people that have the same understanding. There is a way to be attractive to women. We debate and argue over what works and what doesn't work. We help each other and ask for help. We keep each other grounded in reality.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:27 am 
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In this case though, why even have the title PUA? Surely a PUA is a guy who uses "canned material" to get girls, as opposed to just a regular guy who talks to them and uses normal social skills?
Some men use "canned material", but most guys who are experienced and confident realize that they can drop the acts and entertainment. Think about it like learning to ride a bike. When you start off you use training wheels (canned material) and there's a point when you realize you don't need training wheels anymore and you can ride it on your own.

As for why have the title? It's a group of people that have the same understanding. There is a way to be attractive to women. We debate and argue over what works and what doesn't work. We help each other and ask for help. We keep each other grounded in reality.
This is probably one of the most concise/helpful things I've read on this site so far, thanks :)


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Something for your research: PUA has changed my perspective on the above exchange. Pre-PUA, hearing that I would think that Jack_Zero had a better chance with you because (a) you're talking to him, and (b) you're confiding in him by badmouthing another guy. In contrast, you've said outright that you're irritated by Charles Finlay, so he must have struck out, right?

Post-PUA, I know that Finlay has a better chance, that the moment a woman starts badmouthing other guys to you and confiding in you, YOU'VE struck out, not them. That to be a meaningful figure in a woman's world (such as irritating her like Finlay irritated you) is far better than to be an innocuous and forgettable figure.
I can ASSURE you, Finlay has most definitely struck out. Oddly enough I just find irritating men irritating. If I was out at a bar, and Finlay had said something rude to my face and Jack_Zero had come up to me after and said something along the lines of "Wow that guy was an asshole" I would have have wanted to talk to him.

Not to worry! I wouldn't have approached you at a bar.

I'd have weeded your fat, ugly ass out of my list of targets ;)


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