Of course. The books I read really gave me the confidence to go out and start hitting on girls and that's really the only way to get better. It takes a couple years to get really good, but you'll get laid a few times along the way.

Also, I'd say you can definitely filter out some suggestions/techniques used by the authors of the books you read. Some of the over mucho shit really rubs woman the wrong way, so I just stick to being cocky funny, carefree and don't force kino, especially too early.

I'm lost as to why you felt the need to say this.

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When i was younger, i had a little success with girls, mainly becouse of my looks. As i got older success was all gone. Then I got into PUA and improving my self and my success simply skyrocked! The main reason to my today's success is my devotion to that goal. I wanted to become successful with women soo much and gave 100% of my attention to improving myself each and every day. I pushed myself into impossible situations just to see what can i pull off and it all made me a happy person I'am today.

And anybody who says that PUA is fake, is a dumb ass who doesn't have the balls to do what it takes to improve himself. You're a MAN, so go out and practice and you will get better with time.

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Hahaha.

I'm a guy who's interested in this stuff, get's told its all bs by my mate, I done some research into it on the internet for pro/against. Find this forum, ask you guys about successes and if the gurus are scamming. That's a reasonable question. Don't get all butthurt over it.

Overall, from what i've gathered, yes the PUA gurus are making major profit from exploiting weak people who are desperate, but SOME of the information you can take can be very beneficial and is in fact true, but mainly it's down to yourself putting in the effort to improve, and more importantly being yourself whilst adding bits of pua knowledge, as opposed to changing every little detail and following a script, i'm glad I asked here as i've got a better idea now of why the haters are out there and how I can use PUA info. Still doesn't explain why the leaders have fugly girlfriends, but i'll leave that to them, if random people can take the info and apply it to their lifestyles and it work for them then that's good enough for me to take it seriously

Let me let you in on some knowledge bro this isn't an easy path.

1) This aint for bitches, wimps and pussies BUT if you stick to it you can and will succeed. The community has a 95% dropout rate. which means statistically only 5 of a hundred will actually get good at this! THATS FUCKING HIGH. Anyone that tells you that this is complete bullshit, you have to automatically assume that they are part of the 95 noncommited guys who didn't make the cut. Litterally the community has a similar dropout rate than the navy seals. Very few of us will stand at the top of that majestic mountain of pussy but some will.

2) I would say that ALL methods work. I would say that NO methods work. They are highly subjective to personal tastes and personality. Mystery method works best for mystery and guys like himself. Cocky funny (david deangelo) will work better for him than other guys. After all they are the creators. You will try out many different methods until you find the right combination or method that gets you the best results.

3) Every man is out thery being himself. IF that shit worked we wouldn't be here. You have to practice seduction just like basketball or football or singing or any other skill. When you practice pickup internalizes into you. You cant really turn it off it becomes how you flirt with women.

I promise you if you dedicate yourself to this, like anything, you will become good at it!

*p.s. it takes a while and you get rejected and flaked on ALOT, happens to us all don't be alarmed*

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Look I'm going to be completely honest. Every PUA who wrote a book and made DVD's, did it by asking, what's in it for me? The better their product is, the more people use it. Profit. It's same as any other business. HOWEVER... Does every system work for everyone? No. What will give you the most experience? Actually going out, instead of researching it.

Before I discovered PUA, I was naive, believed that girls/women, should be carried around on pedastals, and that they need to be respected even if they don't deserve it. I also believed they were angels that were sent to earth for men.

I had to learn the hard way. Many of us had to. We got hurt by a complete bitch, either being used or being stepped on. Inner Game of PUA teaches you to become better at being a MAN and to value yourself as a MAN and be the PRIZE that women should be seeking. Outer Game of PUA teaches different methods of communication to improve results.

Since I discovered PUA I only bought The Game - Neil Strauss. The rest I learnt on the forums. Going out and actually using the things you read will improve your game, not endlessly researching it.

After discovering PUA... I've had 3 fuck buddies, two SNL's (same night lays) and went on countless dates. In the past 3 years, I've had 6 women. Not good numbers... BUT it's because for 2 and a half years of that time, I sat on my arse doing nothing but reading on PUA, going to work, going home and never sarging or going out to have some fun.

So for the 6 months of actual sarging, I was rejected more than I hit. But I did hit. And if it wasn't for PUA, I would have still been one of the worst AFC's ever.

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I am the living embodiment that this shit works.

I'm not even good, but it has completely turned my personal life around. I would probably have only slept with one person were it not for PUA.

Yes it works for me. but i m sure not everyone is the same....

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You won't get 8-9 girls being 5-6 using the PUA tekniques... I'm 7-8 I think and I was lucky enough to get my girl, which is a 9-10 EASY. But I didn't used any PUA stuff on her... I was kinda lucky on this one tho!

Of course it works.

Stop and think what you are asking at its base here....

"can I walk up to a stranger and influence them to take some action that they ordinarily based on social norms and bias wouldn't"

Of course you can. Information is processed at all different levels and filtered through all different perceptions and bias, screens, ideas. While yes there is a sales agenda in this community, anyone who disputes this with absolute arguments has their own agenda also obviously, or why would they be here at all as absurd as that is?

The agenda? To reinforce their own social phobia of talking to a stranger or laziness etc etc etc. But they have SOME motive to hang out here and tell you that for example you can't get laid without looks.

Lets analyze that one:

Some seem to have a perception that for a "6 to get a 10" etc that it would be easier for a black man to walk up to a stranger who happens to be a skinhead and befriend him! So rare as to not be worth trying at all ever.

First of all there can NEVER be a looks bias that strong, because looks are 100% subjective. Your 10 is my 8, a girl who sees me as a 6 sees you as a 9, and another someplace somewhere will indeed see me as a 9 and you as a 6. What is the perception of the girl you are approaching of your looks?

By this reality alone, in fact pickup techniques in theory could all be a waste of time from the other side of the coin. That by approaching say 15 women who are YOUR 10 looks wise, you will in theory, if you look even normal and average, lets guestimate 3 who find you to be a 7 (at the worst), of those 3 at least 1 sees herself as a 7. You need NO game, just to not be weird, and you fuck her with some effort.

Hell best i'll do is my ideal 10 in about 15 approaches and I am in the game 15 years, and wrote much of the start of the games base principles (on the old forum) that are still used today!

Second on that same point, take a guy who looks like Brad Pitt (a very universal 8-10 socially scaled man looks wise to a large section of women) and have him approach chicks who gave him approach invitations first, and then have him talk all fast and twitch around nervous and refuse to look them in the eye, and he is gonna blow it with everything from his 6s to your 10s.

If you give me 1000 dollars per guy, I will fucking walk up to straight men all day and get them to makeout with me in higher numbers than a great looking guy with money and awesome social circle will bang 10s if he has no game.

I'll also fuck the girlfriend of that guy with the money, looks, and no game, while he is out of town, and I walk up and talk to her while she is buying a package of turkey. He will then yell on her answering machine "I seen you with that dude today, what the fucks wrong with you hanging out with a guy like that you bitch!"



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STOP reading pua material. Go out, get LAID

best way to meet women, is to start meeting women, getting the confidence is pretty important and after a while weirding some girl out that you will likely never see again probably won't be on your top 10 things to care about list
you might as well give it a shot for yourself to draw your own conclusion, a game plan can really help a guy out who has no direction at all, there is a big difference between a socially adjusted person who has had a few girlfriends and has a social circle that regularily goes out and socializes/networks vs someone with social anxiety who hides inside all the time and doesn't ever make an effort to socialize or meet people or know how to go about doing that,

an interesting question to raise would be, is it the pua or is it me?, but then again, do you already actively go out and meet new women, or would that be something new for you that you are just trying? what is ''being yourself'' what does that mean, do you already just ''be yourself'' and have a satisfying dating life?,

most of the community is just a bunch of horny men trying to improve their dating lives and the mystery method isn't ''the community'', it's just an e-book written by one guy, it's that guys specific plan for meeting women, anyone with time can develope their own plan that suits them depending on what they have found works best for them
a game plan is just as legit as the person who uses it, can you improve your dating life by trying to formulate a plan of attack that helps you highlight and showcase your attractive strengths to get you a better chance at making a good impression? sure, does that mean you will put in the time and effort to make yourself more appealing and actually practise/test things out to see what sort of responses you get? nope, probably not, that requires work, most people want to avoid that part and would rather find reasons why they can't or why not to, rather then trying to find ways they can, or why/how they should

The thing about PUA is that a lot of people pitch it as "FIVE GIRLS A WEEK OR NOTHING!!!!!!!"

When in actual fact, just employing a few basic principles, changing the way you treat and regard women can have massive improvements.

I'm not a modern casanova, I haven't slept with a huge number of women and I am currently looking for a relationship. But yes, PUA is very legit. I was a hopeless virgin until 20, I am now 23 and have had more girls than my 37 year old brother.

Well I thank you all for replying...Yes people argue from both sides that it's helpful or its total bullshit.
One thing I want to meet more women and i'm not doing that at the moment, so I have no option but to give the community a good go, I've found it now so if I ignore the information here and don't improve I might kick myself, I'll keep you informed of how I get on and do a field report. Thank you everyone for replying