I do follow the time frame rule of thumb with texting. It's one of the first things I learned, so I've been pretty good at that.

My text game, like I said, I get caught up in my own head. Probably some paranoid thinking "what is he/she doing that's taking so long to text me back?" shit like that. It's not really a problem with most people I text, but this one in particular... well, I won't get into it, but her and I have trust issues and she's lied about her sexual activity before. She's shown that she gets desperate and sleeps around when she's single - something I didn't know until long after I dated her. She's actually quite a good liar. When I start having that paranoid thinking I tell myself "She could be asleep, not paying attention to her phone, or getting pounded by 5 dudes at the same time. Either way, it doesn't matter because she's not my girlfriend." Trust issues are a bitch, man. My last real LTR, she cheated on me several times while I was overseas, eventually as I grew suspicious of her ambiguity of what she'd been up to, I started cheating on her too. It's a personal issue I have to worth through. Before that one, I'd never cheated or been cheated on, and trusted my girlfriends 100%.

Anyways, still no reply but whatever. You think the text I sent came off as desperate?

Your text didn't really change anything. What I believe will be the most important thing is when she inevitably asks to come over and fuck, you need to say you are busy that night and then reschedule for a later date. If a girl disrespects you, its because she sees you as someone she can walk all over and still get her way. If you allow her over on the first try, you just told her that she can disrespect you, ignore you, text you a week or 2 after and you will still fuck her as soon as she wants. NO. You will not cause you are alpha and you don't need her pussy. She needs your dick.

Second off, this girl is not even your gf. She is just some FWB. If a FWB disrespects me I just drop her like she's hot. No point in trying to fix it unless you want a relationship. And judging from your description of her, you need to run as fast as you can

Duly noted. I can tell you right now my mind is weak. I have thoughts such as "she could have a new boyfriend any day" or "I can't get any better pussy right now" or "gotta fuck her as much as possible" are fucking me up.

Tru3demon, I wish I'd gotten your advice months ago. I think her respect towards me is pretty shot at this point... never had this many problems with an FWB before (I'd always maintained control) but I'd like to think I'll certainly learn from this one. The different thing here I believe, is that this is an exgf that dumped ME - I've always fucked my ex's post-breakup, but I was always the one who broke up with them. Not to mention other FWBs where I was primarily only interested in their vagina. I'm putting this one's fucking vagina on a pedastal - I absolutely LOVE fucking her, and she knows it. At first, I was just happy that I got her "back" as a FWB... slowly coming to realize she was never worth dating in the first place, though. I need to get some new pussy, and stat. Or just lay off game altogether, and just get my fucking life in order. I have a couple backup FWBs, but none of any quality. Any efforts I've made towards gaming quality (read: HB8+) women since I started fucking her again have been pretty futile. I did nail one 8.5 early on... long story short, she got exclusive with another dude two days afterwards. Pretty sure it was just a revenge fuck for her.

I will keep up the ignore game until she asks for a "hang out", then tell her I'm busy. Best game plan I've got at this point. I would assume that if I do the asking, it's not worth the risk of getting shut down? What if she suggests doing something else (we are still FRIENDS after all), I assume I still say no?

Rereading this topic, it seems like I should just enter a total freeze out with this chick and re-frame it later, or just drop her entirely. Getting tired of making topics on this forum for this one chick, as it's clear that I'm quite addicted to her. Fortunately, the winter break between semesters, coming up in three weeks, is about 5 weeks long and I'm guaranteed to not see her for it... nor shall I contact. I'll tell you though, I felt pretty good about myself when I got that second text from her after the two day ignore.

Reading from everything you've said, the best word of advice I can give you is to move on. Though technically you have control of the situation, emotionally she's got you by the balls. There is no easy cure to indifference, other than to show indifference in return. Easier said than done.

I've had a gf that had me by the balls once. I let her walk all over me and treat me like crap. Like your broad, she'd deliberately pace me on texts (at times 2 hours to respond). I was constantly chasing her. My emotions were through the roof and my judgement completely gone. Personality wise, she was a disaster. But she was an easy HB9.5. A body like you wouldn't believe, and hot enough to be a model hands down. I was addicted to her pussy and we'd fuck like there was no tomorrow. Then I got depressed after our relationship began falling apart, got fired from my job, and my life was in disarray.

So before you get to that stage, if you aren't there already, you need to go sarging... I can't stress this enough. Being in the company of other HBs, even if they're just 6s or 7s, will help you forget about her. Then as you slowly begin to forget about her, you'll meet a good headed girl and your life will slowly get back in order.

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Thanks for the encouragement, FS. In addition to being an HB9 (my scale) she's also fun to be around, a good cook, in fact on the surface she seems like great GF material... hence why I dated her in the first place. I highly suspect she has a personality disorder, now I just have to convince myself that I can't fix it and it's not my problem. Something else I'm struggling with right now is being sober for 6 months, and it's left a big gap in my life with friends and sarging. I'm vesting more into day game and online dating now, it's tough but I'm going to stick it out.

I do have other friends (HB's as well) unrelated to her that I hang out with, but I've also blown them off for her in the past as well. I can at least put a stop to that... I also have been reading up on personality disorders (I'm a psych major) and I suspect this girl is a borderline at least. Which means that the "high" part of the relationship is long gone (it was fucking awesome) and now I'm just another "slave to her vagina", picking up the little crumbs while she probably goes out and bangs other dudes and doesn't tell me about it, for fear of devaluing her already poor self image and esteem.

Damn, man, what is it about crazy that's so fucking attractive!?

Interesting subject matter, I usually wouldn't put this much effort into a FWB, but throw an AMOG into the works?? Hmmm. The advice has been very good.

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I've been thinking about the text pacing that drives us nuts and here's a positive reinforcer / punishment system that may work:

1. She texts you.
2. Text back right away or within a time frame you may consider reasonable (say 15 minutes)
3a. If her response is immediate or within a reasonable time frame, respond right away.
3b. If her response is late to the point of annoyance, do not respond and wait for her to send another text. Repeat steps 1-3

This way you're establishing that you won't accept text pacing. I'll probably try this with the next bitch that tries to pace me.

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React to her moves –Mirror her actions-If answers right away, you can do that too. But if she doesn't answer you, and mistreats you, so do the same. Don’t show that you want her more than she wants you.

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If you freeze her out you will get the control back and will continue fucking her. Freeze outs always work on the emotionally unstable, no self-esteem girls. But I guess my only question to you is:

Are you sure continuing any kind of contact, be it FWB or even just friends, is the MOST benefitial path for you and your life?

I would certainly believe it is not even in the slightest the most benefitial path. This girl is toxic to you and your mental health. No girl is worth that. No pussy is worth that. Honestly, if you ask me, you need to drop this girl entirely from your life. Not even friends. Will she beg you to take her back? Hell yes. But you need to realize that this girl is holding you back from being truly happy with your life. I will promise you that if you drop her, in time (3 months), you will be looking at this forum and say "WTF was I thinking letting some girl walk all over me? Thank god I ditched her"

Realize what your worth, and go fucking get what your worth man. Good Luck

Tru were you able to get all that just from this topic? If so, very insightful, because it's pretty common advice I get when dealing with her. I am not sure that any contact with her is healthy in my life. I always think of the good things, like the sexual adventures (BDSM, threesomes, etc) and the companionship (on her good days) but the more time goes on the more I try to focus on the negatives and tell myself "cut her out completely". It's been pointed out to me before that when I decide that I don't like someone, guy or girl, I confront them face to face with their wrongs and then tell them to go fuck themselves, stay out of my life. Same person also advised to just gradually cut contact, become more boring and less interested, and let them drift off without some big conflict. It's probably that inner AFC that screams "I NEED CLOSURE" to really make myself cut out a person, and usually it's never easy losing a friend like that.

Your advice here is one I will definitely follow. As I said before, in three weeks she becomes a non-factor over the large holiday break between semesters and I can use that to cut her off completely. Will I actually do it? Probably not. In the meantime, I'll focus more on myself, exercise, schoolwork, and most importantly finding other girls to game/date/fuck so I don't have this "need" for her that I apparently do. Your promise about dropping her, I can see being completely true.

Thanks everyone for your support here, and not just brutally attacking me. I've never been in a situation even remotely similar to this in my life, and I'm trying to learn as much as I can from it. If at some point I feel I really need closure, I've been compiling my thoughts into a journal so if that "final conversation" ever takes place, I can stand my ground, call her bullshit, and give her good reason to stay the fuck away from me. I detest the idea of abandoning someone I consider my friend, but as Tony King said to me when I first started making topics about this girl, "What you have to consider is if you are getting more pain or pleasure from the relationship. When you know that, then you will know how to proceed."

I only read this post so ya, pretty insightful I guess. I just have been in a situation exactly like yours and I would hate for you to make the same mistakes I made. I was such a huge AFC man and let my exgf walk all over me just for sex. Then she started having sex with more than just me cause her respect for me was completely gone (I dont blame her) and I was left all alone out in the rain to assess my life. It is much easier to just cut it before shit gets messed up.

If she wants a talk, just say you are busy and hope she understands. AVOID A TALK LIKE THE PLAGUE. They never help one bit, and only will bring back pain and suffering and hurt. You do not need closure. The closure is you are moving on with your life, without her in it, and you will be better off. You deserve a girl who respects you for the man you are. I think your friends plan about slowly just drifting off and being less boring is the safest way to do it. My way would be to just say "You are a bitch who doesn't respect me or yourself. You have a lot of growing up to do and I hope you can find your way. I know I have found mine. Please don't contact me"

And whatever you do, do NOT have sex with her again. It will only make this harder. There are other vaginas our they eh? Go pound 'em cowboy

You sure I can't have sex with her again? I've never done this before, but I kinda wanted to get a hidden cam video for my PC's "trophy" section I have some moral obligations against it... however, I've already got naked pictures, so whatever.

My mindset has been changing on her rapidly. Less of this "poor girl that needs my help" to "manipulative slut that isn't worth my time". If I treat her as unimportant, and (MOST IMPORTANTLY) I have no feelings, I don't see the problem with throwing her a pity bone from time to time.

Don't get me wrong, though. Done doing anything nice for her, cancelling plans for her, buying things for her, emotionally investing, etc... the most I would give is a backup/massage, but only because I can easily turn that into sex.

I mean you can do whatever you want man lol. Sex with her sounds good and secret taping is always a great way to end a relationship! But I just found that you cannot completely move on if you keep the sex going. Sure you may not care anymore and not buy her shit, but you are only lying to yourself. That is a good transition into seeing her less etc, but I believe if you truly want to get past this and begin living life to the fullest with no holding back, you need to let her go. It is tough, and I did it so I know, but it is so worth it man. Life is too short to be worrying over some girl who isnt even your wife.

But on a sidenote, if you wanna share some pics..........

Dude, ur like 30 shes like 20...
get over it or get in the saville queu

Amen, tru. Thanks for all your advice. Will proceed with secret sex tape with no moral obligations. Maybe I'll get two of em, one for 'personal use' and another where I'll coax her into an MMF/gangbang and then send that one to her ex boyfriend she so adores. I've got beef with him too, while I was overseas he was the dude plowing my girlfriend at the time.

I'll be sure to PM you first, tru, should I decide to make pics/videos go public
Dude, I'm in a small college town, me finding a girl over the age of 22, that's actually decent quality, is extremely rare. She's almost 24, ftr, though she definitely acts like a teenager most of the time. What's the "saville queu"?