Yep.

Ok, well obviously I don't know all the details but that could be a bad sign. She goes to the family gatherings because she's obligated to do so. Answering your calls and meeting up with you outside the parties is her choice and she may (I stress may!) be choosing not to.

If it's been 4 days since you last called then yes I think you could call her. Call, not text. Come up with a clear date and plan it out. Call her but do not ask her to go out with you. Tell her. Say "I'm calling in the debt, you are coming with me to XXX," she might find your boldness charming and will go with you. You have to kiss her on that date. After that it will be child's play.

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Wouldn't I be chasing her and displaying neediness if I did that? And I thought you should never mention the her flaking at all and pretend it never happenned. Should I just text her with meaningless stuff, to see how she reacts?


Maybe I should just forget about her by now.


Help, guys, please. Anyone?

No do not text! that is for cowards! call her and demand a date. It's been 4 days since you last called her, that's enough. You've come too far now to just give up so easily. Your stressing about it and worrying too much, you are also assuming to much. You are assuming she hates you and that's why she won't call you. 99% of they time this is not true.

Take a step back and look at things from her perspective. In fact I think I know exactly what she might be thinking:

"I met this really nice guy last week. We get on well and he's really friendly. I'm not sure if we are serious because we haven't even kissed, he keeps calling me to ask when I am free. I wish he would take control of the situation."

You need to take charge, that is after all your role as the man. The girl wants to be won over but all you done so far is ask her to lead. She wants to follow you to see if you have the strength to be her boyfriend. Lead her! call her up and tell her where the two of you are going tomorrow night!

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Thanks for the reply, Tony. The thing is she has not kissed me yet.

She was supposed to call me back to say if she could go out wednesday. She said two times she would let me know, so there would be no mistakes this time.

She even said that she indeed owes me. I don't get this girl.

I'm afraid she might not even pick up the phone.

What do you guys think about chatting some random thing on SPAM. Maybe she can voluntarily explain why she did not call.

You still don't get it! You should not rely on her to do anything voluntarily!! The first rule of PUA, the words that should be tattooed on every guys forehead backwards is that YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN. Generally what I do to help myself is to anticipate that she will give only one word answers or none at all. YOU are the driving force of every interaction. That is the way she wants it and it's the way it should be. Your the donkey doing the hard work and carrying the whole relationship on your back, she on the other hand is merely along for a pleasant ride. Do the work, diligently and thoroughly and you may be in for a thoroughly pleasant ride yourself.

Forget the internet, facebook, SPAM and text. Pick up the phone and tell her where she is going tomorrow night. Do it now!

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And if she rejects you then you will have your answer, you will have no more anxiety because you will know that you had done all you possibly could. A couple of messages ago you were willing to give up, even without a rejection. Well, that my friend is farce.

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I wonder if you have made this girl feel comfortable and care-free about seeing oyu. A lack of comfort that's why girls engage in avoidant and passive aggressive behavior...unanswered texts, unanswered phone calls, excuses. Girls are often in tough situations; they want to have fun, but then they don't want to hurt guys feelings and often guys are pushy and persistent. Commitment anxiety, guys and girls get it. Commitment anxiety, there's a lot of commitment anxiety in dating. If dates progress further with this person there's usually a lot of responsibility to feel awkward and unsure about. You probably even do this yourself; you hook up with a girl and get her number and never call her back because you don't want to deal with the bullshit of taking things further.

Honestly, I think you should care about being needy, just get in contact with her any way you feel like doing and just make her feel comfortable about the entire situation.

Thanks for the advices, guys.

I did call her and she did not answer. One week later, I tried again and nothing.

She did asked me to followed on Instagram days ago, I accepted, but did not say anything to her since my last call.

I discovered true some mutual friends that she is seeing her ex. I guess she just did not want to exclude me right away then, because she wanted me as a back up plan.

I came back to the game, going to clubs and metting new girls. I really liked her, but right now i'm just forgetting about her.

Oh, hard luck man. These things happen though, it will be a true test of your character now to see how fast you bounce back. Just remember that she is just a girl, almost the exact same as the other 3.5 billion that share the planet with us. 90% of your feelings for her were from characteristics YOU gave her in your mind. Others will come, likely much sooner than you think.

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Thanks for the kind words and for the help this entire process, Beast. And don't worry, cause I will never call this girl again.

If I see her again, I will just smile, ask how she is doing (just to be polite) and walk away. No more chasing here.

Remember this thread. I thank everyone who helped me here.

This girl broke with her boyfriend and called me several months later (i never contated her again after all that I said in the thread). I eventually fucked her like I wanted to. And she started to chase me, wanting to became my girlfriend and so on. But I did not want to (when I got to know her better, I knew she was not that special). We still hook up from time to time, but nothing serious.