My opener works for even hb 9 and 10's.How can I improve it?



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:50 pm 
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Funny thing is when I started with pick up I used this line a lot! Chances of getting rejected are low if you are just there to have a quick chat! Sometimes you can take her number or whatever, but most of the time that lil chat would be it. There is no one way for it mate. Try out different ways and see which one fit you best.

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I don't think your problem is necessary your opening style. It is that it isn't exciting enough with the proper potential to transition in to raising your value and raising attraction. When I'm out and looking for HBs I rarely open with anything that will take more than a minute to move on from. Make it quick, make it simple, and always have something ready to follow up right after. You don't have to be direct to pull this off. There are many canned openers out there that are really designed to have a specific conversation afterwards. That's why opinion openers are so good for new people. Aside from #1 Realizing I was a schmuck and need to learn game, and #2 getting the confidence to do it, transitions were the hardest part about pickup for me.


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Transitions are hard because of the way the openers are done. But as you do with friends, transitions DON'T MATTER. Do you all ever really care about "transitions" with friends?

You may argue "but of course not. they're friends bla bla bla." What most newbies fail to understand is you do everything you want, transitions don't matter. I start with one thing and can blast into a conversation about true love. It doesn't matter as long as you're okay with it and engaged to it. Do comedians ever TRANSITION? Ask yourselves this. Sometimes they segue, but it doesn't matter.


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I wasn't really necessarily referring to conversation transitions. Do whatever the hell you want with them. I have been know to randomly just ask a girl how she feels about penguins or cheeseburgers then go back to something else. The conversation doesn't matter as long you are putting the right twists and turns in to it. The newbie problem is knowing when it is okay to do certain things and when it is time to stop. If you just walk up to a random chick and start touching her and kissing her your chances are low. It can work, but highly unlikely. Any guy who argues otherwise is over confident and needs to be knocked down a level. Likewise if you have gamed a chick to the point that her clothes are coming off it is time to stop with all the games and just have sex with her. Once you get her panties off it's time to stop sarging and start being a primal animal.


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I used to use opinion opener it didn't fit well for me.
But now after using my opener I ask her opnion about something like fashion style etc...
My problem is that I could not raise my value during conversation. Whoever I got so far was interested in me before I open my mouth I just had to open her.
I know many canned openers and routines but many times I feel that the conversation is not interesting enough and I feel pressure on myself.
Also If the hb's is 9 or 10 and she is from Europe I have much easier time than a hb who is 7 and she is native.For some reason being native / having the same mother language can help a lot.


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When I'm out and looking for HBs I rarely open with anything that will take more than a minute to move on from. Make it quick, make it simple, and always have something ready to follow up right after
A_Steal I am curious about what you do / say for instance. Since I am going in the opposite direction. My way of gaming is long and boring and many times I am just wasting the time with the hb.


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Transitions are hard because of the way the openers are done. But as you do with friends, transitions DON'T MATTER. Do you all ever really care about "transitions" with friends?

You may argue "but of course not. they're friends bla bla bla." What most newbies fail to understand is you do everything you want, transitions don't matter. I start with one thing and can blast into a conversation about true love. It doesn't matter as long as you're okay with it and engaged to it. Do comedians ever TRANSITION? Ask yourselves this. Sometimes they segue, but it doesn't matter.
Shush ur bush ...

To the op. This opener is good. I sometimes use it just because I generally think the girls is from a particular background but I've not though of that so credits to you :)


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When I'm out and looking for HBs I rarely open with anything that will take more than a minute to move on from. Make it quick, make it simple, and always have something ready to follow up right after
A_Steal I am curious about what you do / say for instance. Since I am going in the opposite direction. My way of gaming is long and boring and many times I am just wasting the time with the hb.
I don't know if my style would really work for you. I tend to be more of a direct opener kinda guy. I found that if you are confident in your actions walking up to a girl and telling her she looked really interesting and you just had to talk to her can work wonders.


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One thing I forgot to mention is that almost none of hbs I got, didn't remember how I opened them.
I intentionally asked some of them later if they remember what was my first question was from them, and they didn't remember. I don't know if it's good sign or bad but it could show the opener was like a part of natural conversation.


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One thing I forgot to mention is that almost none of hbs I got, didn't remember how I opened them.
I intentionally asked some of them later if they remember what was my first question was from them, and they didn't remember. I don't know if it's good sign or bad but it could show the opener was like a part of natural conversation.
Well done!

That's what you WANT. The natural reflex.

Seriously, well done.

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As said above, the opener isn't the problem. It's the conversation afterwards that you're not managing. Find things that are fun for you and talk about them. If you look like you're having fun when you're talking or telling a story, then the HBs should follow suit (unless bitch shield comes up in which case you have to disarm with charm)....

I have a friend who freezes up the same ways and all he can talk about is work or other boring shit. Don't talk boring shit, talk fun shit and work in your negs DHVs push/pulls...

Afterwards you could go into meaningful conversation, but you should get her smiling and having a good time first - that's what it's about innit?

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