No i hear you. And I agree. Basically after we left the bar we jumped in a cab and i was already escalating kino there without her prompting, and the kissing thing was basically her inviting me to a coffee shop right under her building (hint hint) and when we got there it was closed, so I leaned in and like in that movie hitch she went the last 10% of the way. After that I really started leaning into to her body. We're standing there under a street corner, with a little rain drizzling down and we're pressed up against eachother hard. She was moaning in between the kisses, so yeah i definitely think she has some powerful emotional memories from that night if she's not doing that with 5 guys a week. She kept trying to stop herself from it and kept going with it as well. Like I said before, a fuck close was pretty doable and I'm pretty ok with making it happen, but then seeing her again or 'dating' her would've been out the door so I'm glad we left it where we did. And as I said, she texts me the next day. I don't know if she's feeling guilty about going so far with it or what but I am surprised why she's playing cold fish right now. It's almost like I feel like saying to her, can we just cut this stupid bs so we can get down to creating some more powerful energy.

Stupid fuckin shit tests coming up right when we're close to having a crazy good time with eachother. annoying chicks

Like I said, I'm reading alot about you two feeling each other up, but did you build comfort during the 1st date? This is how I PERSONALLY run things. Otherwise sounds like she was just horny..

What was your text game like? After the 1st date, my text game is mostly keeping the positive mood going with humor, a little more deep/interesting convo questions and then set a 2nd date. I go by some rules like keeping my responses shorter than hers (except when setting a routine) and ending the text convo myself.

If you texted back and forth about boring shit or spilled your guts until she fell asleep and didn't respond, there's your problem.

But if you two have no comfort I doubt it will progress, doesn't matter if you made out, she could be doing that with any guy.

So just an update on this story. She called me last night. She didn't know I had left a message and was out late with friends so wanted to return a call with a call. At first I didn't pick up her call but then called her later and we chatted. All's good. Meeting her tonight. Still haven't determined if she is a player but after yesterday's conversation I don't think she is. And yeah she's keen on meeting up

If she is a player... who cares? Get the guts!

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one of my ex's (who i had my first relationship from first starting PUA) ran and runs the same game. i looovveeee it! the most important thing is to never, neverrr everrrr start giving a fuck, and more importantly start to show it. sounds harsh and rough but if you like her like that, then do it. it sounds like she a lot of confidence and that it mentally pleasing, and just image about the physical pleasure.

stick to your game, tough it out, and BE the challenge.

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^^^What this guy said.

The key when dealing with women who are accustomed to taking a strong frame, and MOST women in general is to have this air that you don't give a fuck.

What I DONT mean is being an asshole and rude to her, "not giving a fuck" has nothing to do with being malicious or insensitive in any way. Not giving a fuck does not mean never showing her your vulnerable side either (trick is to make it as though you're this strong tough minded guy with a soft center of which SHE only knows about).

"Not giving a fuck" means you are not REACTIVE to her in any way whatsoever. She says something quasi insulting? Who gives a shit! You haven't any time to pay mind to trivialities. This makes you infinitely more attractive to women. It will render virtually every single one of their shit tests impotent, while exuding an air of being calm, cool, and collected and a man who can quite easily create other options for himself out of thin air and she knows it (that she can be replaced if she fucks up).

That, my friend, is how you master PU.

And here in lies the trouble with pick up. How in the fuck do you ever like someone when your eat, live, and breath this persona that you could give two shits less about someone.

I do it too. Not care. Chicks seem to dig the confident cocky asshole.

I guess if your goal is to have flings the rest of your life then thats fine and will work for you. But for fucks sake this game is getting boring already and is hollow as hell. The first month is cool and fun but after that its boring. If you fake something long enough and become this persona that doesnt give a fuck then naturally you do it to all woman. It scores me chicks, keeps me in the power position, and keeps me from getting hurt but damn it just isnt hapiness because I just dont care anymore.

I guess thats the dark side of pick up. Ive had a couple oneitis's that broke me down in the past which is why i developed this "I dont care" personality. But I'll be honest, maybe I was mindfucked, but I enjoyed those two women's company more than any of the 20+ broads ive been with since. Im not even sure its worth it anymore.

Is it even possible to have a real relationship with someone when you simply just dont give a fuck???

Its so backwards really.

Consequences I couldnt agree more.

PUA has taught me a lot of things how to deal with women; how to PU, score, threesome, and have a lot of fun, everything but how to.... and wait a second.... love. Now im not an emotional person by far but I crave connections with people, its the best way to feel alive!!!

Right now im currently fucking 2 different chicks, pu an HB8 and HB9 in the last two days, and hooking up with a different HB8. easy shit. but i want to feel connected to them. i want to make real connections with them and not just play them for the lay because once you get the lay its game over, lights are out, the cat wasted its 9th life trying to chase a mouse. it becomes dull, boring, and makes you feel empty inside like a maze without a competitor.

its becoming more difficult to keep up this PUA persona because i want my personality of being a genuine nice, super playful person to be able to shine, grow and develop. However, my dilemma lies where i want to become more mature, and grow something that is real while still getting tail without getting into a relationship.

I wonder if what i want is actually a reality i can live in or if anybody else has done or feel the same...



PTAT (post thoughts after typing) pua is kinda like a drug where there is little productivity but a time filler

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