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Following this threat... I have about the same experiences. I don't know whether otherwise they are scared or whatever's the problem. What helps at least a little bit is being less forward/direct. Give all the hints but let the man take all the initiative.
lol funny how woman instincts and psychology are at work here.. giving hints and shit but let the man lead is just your unconcious brain talking..if you would walk up to a man and ask him to fuck you .. do you really think he would refuse ? lol ....develop some awareness...
Yes! They absolutely refuse. I have tried this for years and it has never gotten me laid. Never. Hinting without asking for sex works better with people I've never slept with and even with people I have slept with before.
By the way, every man I've talked to this about agrees with you, that's why I kept AFC'ing the asking for sex for years. It just doesn't work in real life.


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HI I WILL GIVE YOU MY PERSPECTIVE, I AM A BIT OLDER AND I KNOW A LOT OF WOMEN AND BEEN WITH A LOT OF WOMEN THAT ARE GOING THROUGH WHAT YOU ARE GOING THROUGH, READ CAPS NEXT TO YOUR SENTENCES NO YELLING JUST MY STYLE SINCE I AM COMPUTER CHALLENGED!



I am sorry if, as a female, it's inappropriate for me to be asking advice here (if so can you please direct me to another site I can go to for help?!), but I can't find any active female PUA communities, and I am really frustrated because I just want to get laid FFS!

I am a 26 year old single woman with no desire to have children. I am obsessed with sex, not because of an abnormality in my libido, but because I enjoy it so much that it often becomes a psychological fixation for me. 99% OF WOMEN ARE JUST LIKE YOU, YOU ARE NORMAL, THEY JUST PRETEND/FAKE... EVEN THE ONES THAT YOU THINK ARE GOODY GOODY, WITH THE PERFECT FAMILY LIFE SOMETIMES IS DOUBLE LIFE, I AM TELLING YOU, CAUSE I KEEP FUCKING A LOT OF MARRIED WOMEN THAT ARE CLOSET FREAKS, AND YOU WOULD NEVER IMAGINE, THE HUSBAND HAVE NO IDEA WHO THEY REALLY ARE, IT IS SAD.

I have a problem with men losing interest in having sex with me, despite having been told numerous times by different men that I am good in bed. I have discussed this with my psychologist and a like minded friend who suffers the same problem, and we have come up with the following possibilities:

- I scare them off because I like sex more than they do. NO THIS IS BS
- I'm too easy and they've got me wrapped around their little finger so they get bored really quickly because they don't have to earn it / work for it / it's not a challenge / there's no thrill of the chase and then they feel like "okay, been there, done that" BINGO THIS IS ON POINT. ALSO,THE SOCIETY IS A BIG LIE, THIS IS FROM A GURU NAME 60 YOC AND HE IS RIGHT ON THE MONEY AND MATCH MY EXPERIENCES:

1.- MEN NEED PURITY TO FEEL LOVED AND ACCEPT FEMALE AFFECTION
2.-WOMEN NEED TO SELL PURITY TO FULFILL THEIR AGENDA.
WHICH CAME FIRST WHO KNOWS, BUT MEN AND WOMEN ARE BOTH HAPPY LIVING THIS LIE. THE FANTASY OF PURITY IS A BILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS.
- Men aren't actually as obsessed with sex as they like everyone to think they are, so they're mostly all talk and no action
- They find my love of sex / confidence / sexual liberation emasculating somehow
- They feel like they can't seduce me, because I'm already seduced, so then they don't feel like they've achieved anything that panders their ego
- They find my upfront attitude unusual and don't know what to make of it
- Instinctually and / or from the traditional Christian culture, the attitude of "women shouldn't enjoy sex" hasn't quite dissipated yet, despite it no longer being relevant
- When push comes to shove, they're really just a bunch of backward misogynists I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE WORD MISOGYNISTICS, NO HABLO INGLES!
- They are too insecure to handle a sexually confident woman ALL OF THESE ARE PROBABILITIES RIGHT ON POINT VERY GOOD...

A lot of overgeneralising there, but I think you get the idea.

I find the vast majority of men to be very unattractive and I live in an isolated city with a fairly small population, so I cannot afford to scare them off like this!

Perhaps I shouldn't be so forward, but I tend to find that men are absolutely hopeless at picking up on hints, so it's very difficult to strike the right balance, especially because every guy and situation is different. YES MOST GUYS EVEN MOST OF THE ONES IN THIS FORUM GOT NO GAME, SPECIALLY IN SMALL TOWN, YOU HAVE A DISADVANTAGE BY BEING IN A SMALL TOWN I AM FUCKING A MARRIED LADY THAT HAS THE SAME PROBLEM, I WOULD ADVISE YOU TO GO FOR BLACK MEN(THEY ARE MORE AGGRESSIVE)

I also do find the concept of playing games to be very grating to my person and already feel that I take that as far as I can bear by being careful to act more casual than I really want to, as I am well aware that being too keen / clingy / available is never attractive. Not to mention the fact that I find controlling myself intensely frustrating! AS I SAID THE PROBLEM MAY BE YOUR SMALL TOWN, AND MOST GUYS GOT NO GAME..

Also, I know it's been said that if seeking a romantic relationship, one should not sleep with the guy on a first date, and that one should be in tune with how to please oneself in order to show such restraint. While I don't particularly mind either way whether or not I get a relationship, as long as I get to have sex, perhaps given my situation a relationship would be the best way to guarantee that my sexual needs are met. YES BEING IN A RELATIONSHIP IS WAY BETTER, BUT TO JUMP INTO A RELATIONSHIP JUST TO FULFILL A SEXUAL NEED, NO! MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT SETTLE AND YOU FIND A GUY, THAT IS VERY SEXUAL, ENJOYS YOUR OPEN MIND, AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO BE WHO YOU ARE AND HOW YOU ARE..THE BAD NEWS IS THAT I AM TAKEN, LOL!

My problem is that although I have plenty of sex toys and enjoy watching pornography, I find masturbation in general to be quite boring, and usually after orgasming I end up feeling more frustrated because I haven't had intercourse with a real person. THIS IS UNUSUAL IN MY SPEAKING WITH OTHER WOMEN MOST OF THEM REALLY ENJOY MASTURBATING. BUT THEY DO LIKE BEING WITH SOMEBODY, I AM TALKING ABOUT THE FRUSTRATION PART, KIND OF UNUSUAL.

Also, I am not sure I understand exactly why it is so important to abstain from sex at the beginning of a relationship, aside from when it comes to a man's attitude towards female sexual liberation. In that case, I would just like to say that where I am fussy when it comes to who I choose to have sex with, I am even more discerning when it comes to having a relationship with a man, and I would definitely consider him sharing similar sexual values to mine as being fairly non-negotiable. And such a man would not view me in a negative light or rule me out as relationship material just for sleeping with him on a first date. WELL AS STYLE SAYS WE DO NOT WANT THINGS THAT COME TO US TOO EASY, AS YOU ABSTAIN FROM SEX, YOU GIVE YOURSELF AND THE GUY AND OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO KNOW EACH OTHER, NOW BEFORE KASABI AND DON COME TALKING CRAP, THIS WILL NOT WORK WITH MOST EXPERIENCE PUA/NATURALS, WHICH IS PROBABLY LESS THAN 1% OF THE POPULATION AND GUYS YOU PROBABLY WON'T WANT TO BE IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH...

I would be extremely grateful if any of you could provide a male perspective, as well as any advice or suggestions in relation to the matters I have raised. Thank you in advance for taking the time to read this.


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Since I sometimes feel a tiny bit guilty about avoiding a girl after we've been together or whatever I'll give you some of the main reasons why:

1. She's too pushy - major turnoff if a girl is just constantly after me, it makes me think she's way too keen and there's probably something wrong with her.
2. She's boring - the majority of girls aren't really as interesting as they like to think they are. Go get some hobbies that aren't taking photos of you and your friends' heads squished together or eating cupcakes.
3. She's not really that nice looking/some other physical turn off - I may have been OK with her for one night, but it's not something I want to make a habit of.

Notice how none of those reasons included sex. The vast majority of girls love sex, especially early on there's always plenty of sex, and I'm pretty sure this is not going to bother most guys.

There is an aspect of giving it up too early that might bother some guys (missing the ego hit of you being a challenge) but it doesn't for me and I'm assuming I'm not alone.

Some guys will definitely be intimidated by confident women, again this won't be every guy so it's a bit of a stretch to push it on everyone.

My thought is that since it seems to be a common thing for every guy you've been with, the problem is yours and it's probably something you've failed to consider as a problem. In spite of what you may have heard, most of us don't really have a one track mind, and sex is not the only thing we want in a relationship with a woman.


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woman just like sex .. all fucking living organisms like sex lol .. it's normal .. it's healthy it's your drive..there is nothing wrong with being a whore or a slut... as long you are a trustworthy one it's ok.
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Yes! They absolutely refuse. I have tried this for years and it has never gotten me laid. Never. Hinting without asking for sex works better with people I've never slept with and even with people I have slept with before.
By the way, every man I've talked to this about agrees with you, that's why I kept AFC'ing the asking for sex for years. It just doesn't work in real life.
well... then there must be something wrong with you...im not here to insult you but when it comes to sex looks are important... if i want sex and a relationship i grab a trustworthy girl who looks ok.. if i want sex il grab the hottest piece of ass i can find - at least a decent piece of hot ass...so i don't know how you look or dress .. how you carry yourself. It has alot to do with body contact - it's all instinct and unconcious processing - if you fix eye contact with a guy you have a bigger chance of sparking attraction and so forth...

it also depends on age .. younger dudes are just more insecure about sex and shit.

I've always worked hard to get the woman i want.. i seldom encountered woman who literally asked me to fuck them in the first few minutes of convo... only had shit like that after an hour or so... if a woman asks me to have sex straight on the first minute of the convo - i would fuck the shit out of her and make her come in every way.

stop generalizing men... i don't believe they would refuse god damnit :P... give me your msn.. let me see what you look like and how you talk.. you are dutch and i am dutch we can talk dutch... ( i don't mean double dutch lol )

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well... then there must be something wrong with you...im not here to insult you but when it comes to sex looks are important... if i want sex and a relationship i grab a trustworthy girl who looks ok.. if i want sex il grab the hottest piece of ass i can find - at least a decent piece of hot ass...so i don't know how you look or dress .. how you carry yourself. It has alot to do with body contact - it's all instinct and unconcious processing - if you fix eye contact with a guy you have a bigger chance of sparking attraction and so forth...
it also depends on age .. younger dudes are just more insecure about sex and shit.

I've always worked hard to get the woman i want.. i seldom encountered woman who literally asked me to fuck them in the first few minutes of convo... only had shit like that after an hour or so... if a woman asks me to have sex straight on the first minute of the convo - i would fuck the shit out of her and make her come in every way.

stop generalizing men... i don't believe they would refuse god damnit :P... give me your msn.. let me see what you look like and how you talk.. you are dutch and i am dutch we can talk dutch... ( i don't mean double dutch lol )
Maybe it doesn't work because these men didn't believe it. I'm 23. Thanks for the tips. I'm fine with looking ok. I've been reading for so long here that when I read your post, I think: "Neg, Let her qualify, strong sexual intent, showing dominance".


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Notice how none of those reasons included sex.
Valuable post, thanks.


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The males you are talking about are the males who have had their balls cut off by society, and that's a fucking majority. They're like, "She's a lady, and must be treated like a lady. So fragile." They don't understand that women love sex if not, even more than they do. Me being a true male knowing all this, I would gladly go for a sexually confident woman as long as she turns me on, she can still be easy and whatnot. I don't really care. The guys you're talking about are just dicking around and can't handle their need for affection. Shameful as fuck. They see every girl as an affection object and feel as if you can never love them. Tell me you'd like to fuck within the first few minutes and we'll already be on our way because I'm deeply glad that you came out of the hole and told the truth. I bet most women despise you because you're SPAM the truth. It's like the women of porn or strippers who get called whores or sluts. There is no good girl/slut. It's always slut. You're basically violating everyone's fantasy of purity by coming out with the real deal. That's why people take the fantasy of purity so seriously, they invented fucking burkas and whatnot. Those men and your men, are just insecure, castrated guys that should just go fuck a goat instead. B-a-aaa.

I don't know the type of unattractive men you've been fucking, but this is me (though I'm only 19) and I'm a sex crazed horn dog myself. As a matter of fact, just like you get bs from guys, a lot of girls say they wouldn't date me.

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Nadine and Female AFC are both "mode one" type females. That's Perfect. if you don't know what mode one is google it by alan roger currie

Nadine i'm not sure how you're approaching men I've never heard of guys refusing sex from a woman that doesn't happen too often in america. Unless the girls just plain hideous.

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Maybe it doesn't work because these men didn't believe it. I'm 23. Thanks for the tips. I'm fine with looking ok. I've been reading for so long here that when I read your post, I think: "Neg, Let her qualify, strong sexual intent, showing dominance".
Do you find that analyzing everything gives you some sort of satisfaction and control?

Sometimes, it's just words. That's your tip for the day.

Now, these guys have said all that's needed to be said, in most of the ways that could be said.

Going up to you a guy and telling him to "Fuck me now!", will get you everywhere most of the time considering you're a somewhat attractive woman who has the basic poise and grace which men find appealing. An offer of upfront sex is always settled on the face value. And if you really find that men are rejecting you unceremoniously, then it's just a case of "It's not them, it's you".

Good luck.

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Maybe it doesn't work because these men didn't believe it. I'm 23. Thanks for the tips. I'm fine with looking ok. I've been reading for so long here that when I read your post, I think: "Neg, Let her qualify, strong sexual intent, showing dominance".
Do you find that analyzing everything gives you some sort of satisfaction and control?
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Maybe it doesn't work because these men didn't believe it. I'm 23. Thanks for the tips. I'm fine with looking ok. I've been reading for so long here that when I read your post, I think: "Neg, Let her qualify, strong sexual intent, showing dominance".
Do you find that analyzing everything gives you some sort of satisfaction and control?
bingo

and therein lies the crux of the situation
Knowledge is power, why wouldn't you be satisfied..

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Do you find that analyzing everything gives you some sort of satisfaction and control?
(....) then it's just a case of "It's not them, it's you".
Yes and yes, probably. I'm not complaining here. I'm using my experiences in a practical way. Doesn't work for me --> not doing it anymore. And perhaps being less direct would work for Female_AFC too.
I'll be looking in to the Mode One material.


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...your relationships are built upon a readily available commodity, vagina.
If vagina is such a readily available commodity, then why are there sites like this to help guys get laid?! :P
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There's always money and thought involved. Belittling this fact and pretending that it doesn't exist is disrespectful of the other person involved. This is like a trust fund baby who invites you for a weekend brunch/shopping trip to Paris, "What? 5k? That's not money."
What, like petrol money? What if you walk to the other person's house? Would that be wear and tear of your shoes?! That's getting a bit pedantic, isn't it?
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There's a difference between thoughtlessness and open mindedness. There's a difference between "not preventing them" (Because you had your turn with their meat, now they can do what ever the hell they want to do . . . ) vs. "talking and sharing" (about your open mindedness for mutual happiness)
I don't quite follow this?
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Don't worry, I've got other passions more than covered... Just haven't mentioned them here because they haven't been relevant :)
Not relevant to who? You? The guys? Your situation?
It was not directly relevant to the topic we are discussing until you brought it up.
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Now this is the interesting part. If you are 'misunderstood' by EVERYONE, what do you think is more likely? A. You really are a pain in the ass nobody wants to be around (OR) B. EVERYBODY has trouble MISUNDERSTANDING "REALLY GOOD PEOPLE".
It is neither A or B. It is:
partly C. I am a complex person and not always good at coming across the right way, but
mainly D. I am so different from other people, that all my opinions, interests, personal tastes, characteristics, etc. are so unpredictable. People make assumptions about other people ALL the time based on their relevant past experiences and the information they have available to them. If someone doesn't know me well, they will be forced to fill in the gaps by making assumptions based on what they DO know, and while that works to a certain extent with many people, I am not one of them.

I hope that explains how I can in fact be misunderstood by everyone. Also, when I say misunderstood, that doesn't necessarily mean that people assume I'm a pain in the arse, or even that their assumptions are always negative, but just that their assumptions are incorrect.

Actually, this thread is a perfect example of how, despite my best efforts, I have been misunderstood by you and several other users. I have had to provide extended explanations of things I've written to clarify what my actual situation is. Don't worry, I'm used to it! I'm just a complicated person with a complex set of circumstances, which I guess makes it harder and more time consuming for me to accurately convey stuff and for people to understand what it is that I'm saying.
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If you really had lots of passions, it would have already 'snuck out' into this thread without effort. "Interest" is a choice. "Passion" is unavoidable.
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You like sex. . . But just imagine if you had this level of passion for ANYTHING else.Think about that. . . If you were a cancer researcher, we'd have found a cure. If you were a chef, you'd win "Hell's Kitchen". If you were an ambassador to a hostile country, that country would become our ally. If you were a muffin baker, you'd be on Oprah's holiday show.
I don't see why it would have snuck out, since I am focused on the topic at hand. If you must know, I don't actually consider sex to be my top priority in life, as there is something else that I am more passionate about. However, I do not wish to discuss my other interests here, as I want to remain anonymous.


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