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Guys, there's lots of good advice in here - thanks for that!
I had some thinking based on your proposals.
What I will take home:
- Testing for IOIs: "Accidentally" walk through that group or close by, dropping a short situation comment while passing, vibing positively, like "geez it's crammed here". Seek for EC and see how the status is. Forget it if no IOIs are thrown
- Wait until two of the betas of the group stand around passive. Open them while standing in a shoulder position to the targets. Validating betas, disqualifying myself and asking opinion/info. "Guys you look like you know the biz here - it's my first time out here - is there any way to get a better beer than the crap they sell officially?" Opinion blah...
- Watch for EC from the shoulder side, return look with a little sleezy smile like we share a secret, assuming we all know that these guys suck, but don't jump into convo with targets
- Integrate alpha guy by asking where they usually hang out or stuff (he's the boss, he's the one for the decision/strategy questions => validation) (he's the boss, I went via the official way of befriending his entourage first => validation). Build SP in the group by talking on eye level with him. He will think that he's increasing his SP this way cuz he gets admired by strangers in front of his friends - good.
- Aim to exchange one or two sentences with targets to build a relation, try to get some personal info to have something to refer to later
- Eject with FTC after a few sentences before the AMOG group mood changes to negative and leave ECing the targets like "see you later"
This should be enough to shake up the group constellation and ruin the AMOGs value and routine. Now wait for group to dissolve.
If that does not happen, but IOIs and EC are still present - go for next level. Still working on that. Options:
- Bounce proposal - risky cuz guys might follow. Use false constraint like posh club (nice shoes are a must), going to a Salsa club (U guys know how to dance Salsa?), LEAVING to a (non-existing) afterhour, inviting the whole group over (NC the girls by giving them MY # - less social pressure for the girls)
- Dancefloor or bar/drink proposal - risky, cuz I try to take over the alpha part, and chief AMOG will go to attack mode, and girls might switch to compliance, and you will have to game them in front of the AMOGs
Maybe I look like a KJ weirdo texting soo much on that... but that stunt got me fascinated. Going for the easy 7 is not my cup of tea at the moment.
I'll take it to the field on the next occasion.
no! let me tell you what i do kind of funny: let say there are 4 to 5 guys around a girl, i point at each of the guys in a counting manner, like counting chairs, and then with my hands show the view count if 4, 4 fingers, i shake my head, and with my hands throw them up like in discuss, giving up, and act like i am walking away, then i come back and get them, i think the seduction community is moving towards something i discover 10 years ago, the less talk the better...Salsa club! no, no spanish clubs too much courtship, or girls go into courtship mode, best club american clubs with different rooms,mix music, or club with many different rooms if you are into salsa, make sure they have a hip hop, regetton room in the back.
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