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A Sticking Point or SP is an issue you CONSISTENTLY run into.

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I keep getting LMR whenever I bring girls back to my place. This has happened at least 10 times already! What am I doing wrong?
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I got LMR with this one girl! What do I do?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:10 am 
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I have been on NUMEROUS "dates" where I am receiving IOI's and can usually spot enough when there is enough for a kiss close. At the end of the date, I usually know if she is going to reject my kiss or accept it. This part i have gotten used to.

The problem i'm having is esclating on the next date to where I can f-close on the 2nd or 3rd date. Last few "first dates" were good examples:

IOI's included: Mutual touching / leaning in, heavy eye contact, her saying "I must compliment you, you are a really good listener", giggling at dumb jokes, etc.

IOD's (possibly?) includes:
her saying
-"I may talk :bout it (sex), but i'm not easy" / "I'm not sleeping with you"
-"I'm starting to feel self concious" with a nervous giggle

-allowing me to kiss her, but with some hesitation.
-Me hugging her and her looking shocked saying "are you pressing me into??!!?"

Long story, short:
-Is "token rejection" (new concept for me) a common occurance and what is the best way to break through it? How do you distinguish it from actual rejection?
-Maybe there is something else that I'm not looking for that I should be addressing?
-Should I just be trying to f-close on the first date? (although i'm a little more traditional and would prefer at least another "meeting" before f-close).

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2011 4:58 am 
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I like to f*ck close on the first date if possible. For me personally i don't like to waste time, i like to get down to business haha.

If she's telling you about sex. Make sure you let her know you aren't even thinking about it.
"Sex with you? Please. I'm not that easy."
"Sex with you? You haven't even earned it yet."
Doing this will help her bring her shield down and she'll feel you respect her more. Chances are she's probably been humped and dumped before and doesn't want it to happen again.

In the end play it with your instincts. If you really wanna distinguish what she wants invite her over to watch a movie. Cuddle. Make out. Feel her up. If she stops you, use the lines ive said above. Just turn her on and f*ck her.

A bunch of times the girl and I would be already naked and she'd ask me, "if this happens will you still respect me? I don't want you to think I'm easy." so make sure you let her know that you do.

Goodluck!

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im not sleeping with you/im not having sex with you

is just token resistance, you have to think of the frame when she says that, she is thinking about having sex with you, make sense?

i may talk about it but im not easy, is an indicator of ASD,

to lower things like this try to handle ASD before any of the problems surrounding it become an issue, non judgemental frames (i usually have a convo about players/sluts arguement and how it is unfair double standard, why can a guy do what he wants, but a girl cant, what if a girl just likes a guy and descides she wants to be with him, how does that make her a slut just cause she does what she wants, the only guys that think that are just stupid and don't understand etc.), next, at some point set a frame that you are discreet, talk about sex openly, but don't name drop, when baited into name dropping, directly state im not like that, i like to keep that info private etc., (also you probably allready handle these issues but make it as socially acceptable for her to sleep with you as possible im not going to get into that since this doesn't seem to be your ASD issue at hand)

im starting to feel self concious simply requires a re-frame, if you ever hear a girl putting herself down, or being neurotic,

just be nice and say, hey you don't have to feel that way, if you're trying to change what i think about you, don't, I allready like you (this can be used if she puts herself down, or if she is being shy, moody, irrational)

kissing with hesitation, thats not an IOD, just an escalation,
the hugging thing, LOL, same as previous, just say ''yeah?'' act confused as if to sub communicate WTF THIS IS NORMAL, isn't it? (that one is for if you ment to say, are you pressing me into you??)

(if the hug she said what are you pressureing me into?)
i would re-frame, what do you mean? (sub communicate confusion as in previous *wtf this is normal etc*)


the best way to handle resistance is simply don't react to it, just ignore it and be persistant, agree and continue escalating, (anything that does not help you in your seduction can simply be ignored or re-framed, but sometimes rejection is real and you just can't close, that is life)

here are some examples of reactions:

you go for kiss she backs away, you say ok :'( and get all pouty (as if you have been heavily rejected),

you go for kiss she backs away, you say WELL FINE!!! FUCK YOU BITCH!!! ILL GO KISS SOMEONE ELSE GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!

she says im not going to fuck you,
IM NOT GOING TO FUCK YOU EITHER!!
I wasn't going to... you thought thats what i wanted?, no thats not... etc.

don't verbalize rejection or explain yourself, and don't become agressive and attack, NO DEFENSE, NO OFFENSE, just don't do anything and persist, at most maybe laugh and try again,

and F-CLOSE on 1st day is a matter of preference, there is no YOU SHOULD, AND YOU SHOULDN'T, if you like to wait 2 weeks to f-close, then wait 2 weeks, if you like SNL (this is what i mostly focus on at bars) then go for the SNL, Same night lays imo is the way to go, you don't waste your time, you escalate and find out, you get blown out and she is not down, who cares you didn't spend weeks trying to bang her to get nothing out of it, just my 2cents


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Gentlemen, This is fantastic advice! I will escalate more on date #2's from now on and ignore the token rejection. . . . maybe i'll just be more aggressive and aim for the first date ;). Seems to be more effecient and I'm into that :).

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