Ok - I think I have a massive problem specifically with girls I meet for first dates from online (so no prior physicality w/them). It's a general problem for me actually - kino escalation, but went on a date last night and it really became apparent I'm not sure how to proceed. I think I'm just scraping by in this department as it is, and it has cost me 2nd dates. For example, yesterday I touched this chick just casually throughout our date, then she invited me over to hang out, but said in the car 'i'm not going to hookup tonight'. I thought maybe that's cuz I didn't prime her enough...

I guess I don't really see how to ease into touching a girl I'm meeting for the first time from online - normally what I do is try to touch her arm at some point while we're talking. I'll pretend she has something on her face - that whole thing. But let's face it - I need to be doing more.

Even your most basic thoughts on how you escalate the touching on first dates would be helpful. cheers.

Tek

First off, her saying she doesn't want to hook up tonight doesn't mean she doesn't want to hook up tonight. Just that she doesn't want to be considered a slut. And either way, not every girl is cool with having sex on a first date. Not necessarily anything "wrong" you're doing.

When meeting someone online, easiest thing to do is from the get-go, shake her hand and hold it just a little longer than usual. Just enough to be mildly uncomfortable for you. Or, even better, immediately hug her and kiss both cheeks. If you get a weird look, tell her it's just something your family does, or your friends do.

From what you've written, you seem to be looking for those perfect opportunities to throw kino into a situation. As 60 Years of Challenge would tell you, don't do that, just jump in there and start kino-ing. You're trying to make it seem natural. Don't bother. You should thrive in the uncomfortable situation, because that's where the sexual tension lies. Do this enough, and it WILL become natural to you.

Prince - Yeah man you're on the money. I'm constantly looking for that 'right time' or some kind of green light to escalate. Yet it never seems to 'make itself known' to me and some opportunities just evaporate.

I've heard a lot about 60yoc on here - i need to check that shit out.

The handshake stuff is gold - I hadn't thought of that. Thanks