Okay, here's what's been going on. I've been building a lot of rapport, been building a lot of trust, and I'm not scared to get out of the friend zone, that's definitely not my issue. My issue is, whenever I game some chick after I build up the rapport and the comfort, I can't seem to build attraction and I see few, (If any) ioi's from my targets.

I can do kino just fine, usually, but is that alone enough for solid attraction? And for when kino isn't enough, what are some more verbal ways to do it?

Any tips will help me out a lot, so thanks anyone who's willing to help a guy out.

Oh, an additional note I thought I'd clear up. I do SOMETIMES get attraction. But I don't feel like I have control over it aside from just what I'd get without all my cool pua tricks.

A lot of different PUAs have different frameworks of what attraction itself means to them. Which one are you working from? Attraction = social value? investment? intrigue and buying temp? arousal and sexualization?

I've tried social value and it like, half-works for me, I think I just need to tweek it a bit and I'd get better results. But I never really understood the whole "Investment" or "Buying temperature" thing. I think the arousal and sexualization thing would be something I'd wanna work with a lot, though, so if you could explain how that one works it'd be great.

That, in my opinion, is the best way to go about it. Check out the "Sexual SFT" section in my Guide to Outer Game sticky in the Lounge.

Defy expectations in an attractive way to build attraction. She thinks you're going to zig and you zag. Stop looking for IOI's (a waste of time) and focus on being present in the moment. How you kino much without building attraction is beyond me...unless you're making her uncomfortable.

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Haha, they accept the kino but only up to about groping and then from there, I get stuck and I tried blasting LMR, and sometimes it worked, but usually it didn't. So I figured it was that I didn't have quite enough attraction to go further, and I must've been right because now that I'm building more attraction, I've gotten a couple same-day-lays. Thanks Chief, the sexual SFT thing helped me a hell of a lot.

You're probably making the same mistake a lot of guy make because they misunderstand the role kino plays. If you watch pick up videos or follow some of the teachers out there they will go for a quick escalation and then be making out with a girl minutes after having just met her. However, this is mainly for the student's benefit showing them what's possible.

What students fail to realize is these club make outs actually increase the likelihood of running into LMR. The logistics are usually not good in these situations and anyone who has been involved in pick up for any length of time knows how important logistics can be. Often poor logistics can make or break a seduction.

Personally I categorize kino into three types.

1. Friendly
2. Comforting
3. Sexual

You want to focus on the first two types, progressing from a friendly touch to a comforting touch, and save the third type for when you're in private.

See, what happens is when you create attraction and then arousal through kino in such a short span of time is it creates a split in her. On the one hand she wants to be with you and on the other she's worried about social factors, trust issues, and possibly a whole host of other factors. Introducing this friction into seduction is counterproductive.

What I'd recommend is quickly building attraction while engaging in a friendly touch and progressing to a comforting touch to release the tension you've built by attracting her so quickly. Then lay back and let her chase while you build rapport and strengthen the bond between you. This serves to reinforce what she already feels and will make the difference between a girl that is having a good time and a girl that has a reason to take your call when you want to meet up with her again.

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Alright, thanks. I'll keep that in mind.

So from my experience:

I've chilled with this girl 3 times ok.... And i did some good kino... went from her shoulders on the same side as me.... to putting my arms around her for long periods of time.... to holding her waist.... and touching her thighs... Seems good right?

Well she sent me a text saying "I hope im not misleading you onto anything" a week after our 3rd time chilling... I ignored it (by saying something else and it worked) and planned a next time to meet

Next time we met i had one goal in mind: GO FOR THE HANDS

YES... going for the hands is by FAR the MOST important KINO that IVE KNOWN!

So when we were chilling, i had my arms around her waist... and we continued talkigna bout relationship type shit, and at a moment, im just like "LETS DO IT".... and there i go, caressing her hand with mine... holding it... and she was receptive

and from THAT POINT on... the Dynamics of the relationship CHANGED! you can absolutely FEEL the difference... Trust me...

So the tip is: THE HANDS... GO FOR IT! IT IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT kino's you can do!

Also very good advice! Thanks!

I'd say see how far you can push kino. You'd be amazed how much you can touch a girl without them saying anything. I don't see how that can ever work against you as long as you're not some crazy groper going for all her junk (focus on arms, back, lower back, knees rather than boobs, but, mouth, hands).

If she says something, make a joke out of it or just don't acknowledge. Then get started up again. One of my biggest a-ha moments was realizing that the man has to escalate everything, and girls love it when a guy will actually show that he's the one with the balls to make it happen.

Everyone on here has awesome advice! Haha, I'm gonna test out everything all of you guys said to figure out what works best for me. You guys are awesome! Thanks!