How do you reduce "Flakes"?



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A Sticking Point or SP is an issue you CONSISTENTLY run into.

It is NOT a point where you get stuck with ONE SPECIFIC GIRL.

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I keep getting LMR whenever I bring girls back to my place. This has happened at least 10 times already! What am I doing wrong?
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I got LMR with this one girl! What do I do?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:00 pm 
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So still being relatively new to this game. I'm still learning allot and honing my skill.

Originally I went from mainly online dating to hitting the clubs this year and doing pickup. I've gotton allot better at picking up at clubs. As every night I usually can get a couple phones numbers. And generally get good responses with opening with little anxiety now. I will even have women who seem to open me.

However I know this is part of the game. But it's kind of annoying when you get all these great interactions and they turn out to be flakes the next day. Where the girl seems super into you and will even make out with you at the club. And next day when you text her will be like "Who?". I suppose alchohol can do wonders for someone.

I know this is all part of the game. But anything to improve my ratios would help

For example about a week ago at Halloween I get invited to this club where my female friend is a promoter. She has few other friends at the club with her. So this really cute girl (HB9) starts dancing with me at the club playfully. She is someone connected to the group. More an a friend of a friend from the original girl that invited me.

We break off and then have another rendevous where we are dancing together. Then at one point she feels me up while dancing and is like "ooohhh sexy". I look at her and smile and I am like "That's going to cost you. You don't get to touch me for free." (Something to that effect which she laughs).

We then break off again. At one point I see one her friends nudge me over. And her friend (Whom she introduces as her bestfriend) is like "you are so cute, you seem like a good guy. Do you have a girlfriend, do you want a girlfriend?" (She is implying the girl I'm dancing with).

Anyhow so the girl I am dancing with and I end getting up against the bar and talking. She seems like she is qualifying herself to me. I would ask her things like what is your sign. And she'd tell me capricorn. And I would be like "ohhhh man that'll never work between us". And she would qualify back saying "Virgos and Capricorns are good match".

When we are talking she is pulling my face close to her. Her body language is very receptive. I reciprocate with some kino and touching back.

At the end of the night I'm thinking to myself this girl is obviously into me. Unfortunately I agreed to drop my friend off so have to go. She is with her sister and best friend. So I figure same night pull is probably not in order since she would want to maintain face with them. Plus I'm not clear with her relationship with my friend. So don't want to come off as a sleeze with her.

So I tell her I'm going and she looks all sad and is like "where you going?". I end up getting her number and just text her my name so she has it. And when leaving just give her a hug where she grips onto me tight and is like "You're really cool!"

I then wait a couple days and text her that I'm going to give her a call later today to chat. When I call I end up leaving a message.

Don't get any response from the original two text I sent or a call back.

So then another week elapses, I don't do anything further from me leaving a voicemail. I go out meet more women. Figure at this point just treat this like a social experiment as this opportunity might be gone. And I just need to learn where I am going wrong. So I send her an opinion opener question. Which I found sometimes to be effective online in re-engaging a thread.

Whereas she text me back a "who is this?" and then calls me shortly afterwards with leaving a voicemail. Can't take the call since I'm driving.

Anyhow next day I end up texting her a picture of us taken at the club from my friends facebook page to "rejog" her memory. (Wasn't sure if that seemed too "not cool with too much validation of who she is" - but hey this is a social experiment)

Pic sent here : http://bit.ly/1B3BFhR

No response from that

So this would just be an example of an interaction. Any things you say I could improve upon here? (I'm sure there are lots...As I'm still a learning Jedi)

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:27 am 
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That girl remembered you but you left her at the club where some other guy probably finished stirring up the emotions that you've laid the foundation on (That is a hot girl and I know I would have taken advantage of you leaving). That transfer of emotion will make you less desirable. Acting like she doesn't remember you is easier to explain why she's not interested anymore.

But here's the problem I see and I believe it is a weakness in a lot of the guys in the PUA community. The misconception that you should wait a few days to call a woman is not to your advantage. The reason I say this is because, IMO, that seduction should be a fluid motion. Attraction should be built as steady as possible from the initial meeting until you reach your goal (my goal is sex). You should be building sexual attraction the entire time until you two are naked and in bed together. So if you get a girls number and built sexual attraction on Saturday but wait until Monday or Tuesday to contact her, that's a few days that you've allowed some or all of that sexual attraction to go away. Since it has went away, she has no reason to answer your calls or agree to meet up with you. Am I saying to call her and have a deep conversation? No. What you do is call and let her know that you are attracted to her by telling her that you want to meet up. That way her emotion will continue to build until you meet with her.

So to answer your question on how to reduce flakes. Don't leave a woman that you have built sexual attraction with unless it's absolutely necessary. Put yourself in a position to build sexual attraction and tension without leaving room for it to dissipate.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:52 pm 
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But here's the problem I see and I believe it is a weakness in a lot of the guys in the PUA community. The misconception that you should wait a few days to call a woman is not to your advantage. The reason I say this is because, IMO, that seduction should be a fluid motion.

Bingo. Don't wait. Text within the hour... make it stupid, and goofy and funny. Or take a selfie of the two of you, and send it to her.

It gives her your number. It solidifies the connection. It's a reminder that you were there and are interested.

Never wait.


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