Ok so most of you wont know who I am. I posted here a while ago when I first started and was working through my anxiety issues, then again when I was having issues figuring out who to go for. Now its about a year later and I am in what some people might call the perfect testing ground, I work in a hostel on Full Moon Party Island (Koh Phangan) Thailand. Anyway recently I have pretty much got with a girl every party but the same issue keeps arising, we make out then for some reason or another they just leave afterwards. Literally its happened about 10 times in a row, Im not sure what it is but I can guess a couple of things.

1. I work very fast, I don't think women catch on and feel cheap.
2. Girls from the hostel are under the impression that I get with girls all the time so they feel cheap.
3. Sometimes I push for sex a bit too strongly, partially due to alcohol and because its been a LONG time.

Ye so I really need help getting from making out to bed, any thoughts on what I can do? maybe tips on beating ASD (Anti-Slut Defense).

Also Thanks for all this community has done for me.

NOTE: A couple of the girls have said things which leads me to believe this is ASD.

if you stop treating girls like objects that might work. they want to feel special and not just one more slut like you make them feel. you're a lousy pua. just overcome AA. now go learn the rest cause otherwise you'll never f close.

Your post is unnecessarily offensive and totally irrelevant.

What makes you think you understand how I treat girls?
I never said anything about having AA issues.

At least read before you insult people for no reason.

Dont bother replying I wont read or respond to your posts.

mr sensitive can't handle the truth. there's a very big different from being offensive and tell you what you really need to face. clearly you are very narrowminded and with that mentality you'll never go very far. if you weren't you wouldn't be making this topic and you would like me get laid all the time.
it's people like you that give bad fame to the pua community. shame on you. But glad people like you exist because the girls that reject you 10 times in a row will f close with me.
you have some serious issues that you clearly don't want to face.
you don't know how to open (sure you open everyone can do it, but not in the right way). you can't escalate as you mention, you can't dhv otherwise you would get different results you can't close as you said, you make women feel cheap and ordinary.

if you don't want to face your own problems or get help then don't make topics asking for it.

First of all it's very childish of you to send me PM's like that.
second of all you are the one having several problems not me. You can report whatever you want I didn't broke any rule. If the idea I got from the 3 lines you posted is not accurate then it's your fault. Not sure if it's dyslexia or something but you clearly stated all those 3 things. If they aren't truth then you shouldn't had wrote it.

It's not a surprise for anyone that reads this thread that with that attitude women feel like that and that you can't close. You never will until you change that mindset.

And you need to stop being sorry for you and for others. Firstly because I can close. And second because you could too if you change. So there's no need to feel sorry for yourself.

Admitting your own issues is the first step to solve them. You can't admit it so that's fine. Just don't expect people to say things you like but aren't true. If you didn't want an opinion on something than you shouldn't had wrote this thread.

If you think I'm wrong feel free to ignore it. It's already too stupid to give such an importance if you don't agree with it. Sure you'll keep failing and one day you'll thank me because you'll realise I was right. I know I am because I have been in your place many years ago. It's not just something that I learned by years of training and studying.

I'll just quote what you said because I don't think you realise what you wrote:
It's your own words not mine.

Good luck.

I have to agree with unknownpoet, girls r not objects, and we like to feel special. If u respected girls more, and not treated them like shit, they might like u more.

and secondly about your reaction about unknownpoet, i think u r overreacting he didnt said anything overoffensive it I feel it just as constructive critics, which could make u better in pu if u actually accepted it. Your accepcion of others people opinion is just childlish, we r all adults here (i suppose) and we should behave like ones, not overreact for every a bit rough and not too pleseant critic.

Ill will respond to you because you didn't offend me. Regardless of what he said his tone is condescending and aggressive. Ive learned that on the internet these people are not worth dealing with.


Now that I read my post again I can see that I worded something slightly incorrectly, mostly due to timing and alcohol.

"Ye so I really need help getting from making out to bed, any thoughts on what I can do? maybe tips on beating ASD (Anti-Slut Defense)."

What I would really like is some advice about how to prevent people simply leaving after I kiss-close, regardless if it ends in sex or not. This could mean simply getting a number, dancing more, talking afterwards or pretty much anything that results in the possibility of something lasting. Once again I still need help beating ASD.

Im not rewording that to make you guys happy, that is what my original question was intended to be. I wrote in a rush the day after one such event and sex was on my head. As a guy who honestly does not get enough sex its hard for me to separate the 2 things sometimes.

I can understand on some level why you think my post may make it seem like I don't treat women like people. I should be very clear in saying that although when I post here I state things very .. umm.. matter-a-fact (probably not the word im looking for). Online I treat this like a science, doesn't mean I do that when Im out. I barely even classify myself as PUA, I use what I learn here and from practice to improve my chances when I go out. Its pretty difficult to talk about this kind of thing without some level of objectification, after all we are basically talking about the art of seduction.

One thing I have spent a lot of time working on is reading people to figure out whether they are into me or not. I would say at this point I am incredibly good at judging when someone is into me from a relatively short conversation which may seem pretty standard but for me its been a huge problem for years. Usually I would wait too long and the person would leave (I am talking exclusively about clubs and busy bars), therefore what Ive been doing a lot recently is just doing everything faster.

Another point I should make clear is that as I said before I work on Koh Phangan, this is a place where people come for short amounts of time then leave. This means that generally I don't have much time to get to know people but it is a very good place for practicing. Ive made a lot of friends here but friends is not what I need.