im over playing my hand every time, my c/f balance is 100%cocky prick and only funny to myself, and i keep getting girls mad

eg. was having a good laugh with this group last week, made a small remark about this girls small boobs, she went fucking mental, flipped right out (turns out she got bullied about this really bad at school and is still really sensitive about it)

and this isnt the only time, 2-5 times a night i seem to hit a raw nerve

the same night i got punched, a different girl i had been getting round a few weeks before wanted to borrow my jumper, i said we can swap, pretended to take mine off then she just got her bra out and went mad at me, i know what went wrong with this one im just painting the picture. should have just swapped and not been a cunt about it.

another night i open with hi, nice necklace, did you make it your self? her: fuck off!

should i knock neging on the head all together or tone it down? if tone down ho so? and how do i know if im going to hit a sore spot?

also any canned and more playfull neggs would be appreciated

If she isn't laughing, you aren't doing it right.

Be more playful with your negs. Telling a girl she has small tits is just being a dick. Being sexually arrogant is not negging. Some girls will tell you to "fuck off" but they might be doing it to test your frame (or they might seriously be telling you to fuck off if they saw it as an insult)

Try some canned negs until you understand what the purpose of a neg is. It is not to be a dick... A neg is to disqualify yourself as someone who is going to hit on her which will allow you to hit on her later. Telling a girl she has small boobs, clearly shows her that you are looking at her tits!

Say things like:
"Your nose wiggles when you laugh."
"Where is your off button?"
"Is she always like this?" -pointing to her but saying it to her friends
"Too bad I'm gay or you would be so my type"
"I like your hair, is it real?"
"Good to see you don't follow fashion trends."
"Did you even shower today?"
"Eww your hands are sweaty!" If she goes for the hand shake

If you like to open with a neg...

The lint opener works awesome. Grab some lint from your dryer and keep it in your pocket. When you see the girl you want to open, take a piece of lint and put it in your hand... Don't even say anything... Act as if you just pulled the piece of lint from her hair or shoulder (Where ever she really can't see what you are doing) Take the piece of lint and hand it to her. Walk away... Come back later with a BIGGER piece of lint and do the same thing... This time say "Damn, I'm curious about your choice of fashion. Lint is the next big thing or what?"

You could even flick a girl off from across the bar. Literally, give her the finger.

Another great way to open with a neg...
If you want to open the girl who has 5 guys or whatever surrounding her like vultures... Have the bartender give her a water and tell her its from you. You might as well walk up to her and flick her in the forehead lol

The key to a successful neg is to keep it playful. Smile when you are saying it so she realizes that you are being sarcastic. Cocky/Funny is over played by alot of people and it can make you seem like a dick. Cocky Funny isn't going to get you girls if that is your only attitude. Learning how to switch gears and being able to know how you should be responding to her reactions will. Over do it and well.... Its going to get you slapped (as you have found out lol)

Hope this helps

for whatever reason, this works phenomenally.

I'm happy to announce that i have toned it right down. last few nights that iv been out i have been a lot more conscious of what I'm doing, also, using "its so adorable" before dropping my neg takes the edge right off it, tho it defiantly still gets in her head. also iv been drinking less alcohol, can maintain my c/f balance at more funny and a little cocky, (too any noobs reading) this is so important! cocky has to be 10-15% max over do it and your just some rude dick. oh and I BANGED 2 GIRLS last week, this is pretty good for me so it defiantly works.

I think staying away from actual or perceived physical flaws is probably a good idea.

Like when I commented how I actually liked a woman's nose because it looked Jewish--I'm Jewish and I prefer noses like that--that wasn't a great idea (though it might actually have helped in this one case because she actually was Jewish). Likewise, if her tits are smaller, stay away from that, I'd think, as you learned. But maybe if they were large, you could ask if she thought about breast implants (cuz it's obviously not the case).

When I teased a 21 year old, telling her that I thought she was 39, though she acted like she was super offended (I think she was a little offended), it wasn't a big deal because she was obviously a young woman. An older woman who you tease about her age will probably knife you.

I'm going to experiment with taking a woman's most attractive feature and neg on that, though it's probably just best to ignore that feature that everyone probably compliments her on altogether and go for something not noticed as much, like neck, shoulders, wrists, fingers.

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Saying a girl has small tits is not a neg. The whole purpose of a neg is that you are exaggerating something, or even making up a perceived flaw for the purpose of flirting.

Telling a girl she has small tits (when she actually has small tits) is like an ex-girlfriend walking into the room and announcing that you have a small dick.

LOL perfect analogy

When I first read up on negging a few years back I totally misunderstood the concept. I remember in work I sat next to this HB 8.5 which I just met and asked her how old she was, she replied '28' (I'm 21) and I just said 'that's old' (No smile, No sarcastic tone, No eye contact) Haha She was shocked and definitely thought I was a dick, fair play to her though she was still polite to me.

Even now I've been overdoing cocky (coming across aroggant), I believe it really messes up your congurence because later in the interaction you realise what you said and it messes you up. From now on it's less cockky and more funny

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I've also had a hard time making sure my negs don't mug the girl off, it is better now but even last night I turned a girl off with a over the top neg. Also I noticed you don't always need to neg a girl but only when she isn't very involved in the opener or the conversation. Basically from my experience negs as well as time constraints are very useful in opening non responsive sets, but if the set is already responsive and your target is giving you IOIs, tone down the negs to a minimum\make them really playful.

Only use a neg when you get an IOD. Otherwise you are gonna over neg and seem like an asshole. The way to "win" with this game is really understand interest levels and values and being able to play with them to work in your favor.

A neg is GOING TO KNOCK THE GIRLS SELF ESTEEM... but you don't want to over do it. Thats the one thing I don't like about Mystery is he pushes negging so hard and it can make your value actually TOO HIGH for her. The whole purpose of a neg is to knock her value down when she feels that her value is higher than yours (i.e. when you approach a girl, the simple fact that you went up to her/the group is lowering your value in her eyes) but ideally you want both of your values to be equal.

found this list from 2007, some of them are pretty fucking sweet and i remembered this post, enjoy!

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