ok, so i have had this issue for a while now. I have no trouble approaching girls and can often number close, but my issue is that when i try to hang out with them again, I have so much trouble making a move and recognizing when to make a move that I always end up in the friend zone. I really need help with getting over this issue and appreciate anyone who can help me.

nobody has anything to say to help me?

You're just going to have to keep pushing the limits of your comfort zone.

You're getting number closes so, that at least is good. I think what you need is take small steps pushing past your comfort zones.

It might be something real simple, like dropping an outrageously sexual comment mid-way in conversation... Or maintaining strong eye contact.

Touching... Get used to touching, hand on shoulders, on elbows... Nudging.

Get used to greeting your girlfriends with hugs, and kisses on the cheek. Don't ask just, pull her in and kiss her on the cheek. Make like this is something you always do.

OK, you're probably going to shit yourself. And you're probably going to make some outrageous cock-ups. But next time you'll be calibrated to go in better.

There is no quick-fix solution. But eventually, as you get more and more daring, you'll eventually come to a point where you can just stare at her in the eyes and go caveman on her.

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thanks man, ill try it, one more question, is there a proper way to make the move or just go in for it? like should i say something first?

OK... I know where you're coming from.

You're looking for a big green light from her to make the 'move.'

Unfortunately it doesn't exist, or rather it does, it's just women are really subtle when they're interested and convey it through their body language.

The other problem here is your thinking... 'Making the move'. Sounds like some scary ass shit.

I can just imagine it. You're together with her. You're having a nice conversation. You walk her back to her front door, then you 'make the move.'

Well, this is unfortunately the stuff of fairly tales and a by product of Walt Disney movies and American Rom Coms.

In the real world it doesn't work like this. In the real world, everything leads up to making the move, but you have to prepare the way. You do this, little by little.

Touching her, flirting with her... Holding hands. You do it in such a way that you don't spring the 'big move' on her like it is a complete surprise. The transition is so natural that she believes you two just kissed 'in the moment.'

Again, this may not come easily. And you'll make a lot of mistakes. But you must do this.

So to recap, there is no 'making the move.' Everything is a slow build up from conversation -> flirting -> touching -> kissing. And no, there shouldn't be anything you say first. You can normally tell when a girl wants to be kissed if you've seduced her right.

However, for you... As this is probably your first time. Maybe when you think she is ready to be kissed you could use Style's kissing routine from the Game.

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