I disagree, respectfully, with OliverKing about giving women your number—and thus giving up control. I've seen a guy once ask if he could see a girl's phone, then he called himself with her phone, thus getting her number. Smooth, and kinda sly. She loved it.

Though maybe his point is more about building up your value, and you know you've succeeded when they call you. But... that seems almost more academic to me than practical. You want results, right? Maybe you could try a mix of giving out your number and getting numbers, to both measure your value and also hopefully get some second meetups.

Andover, what are you saying in your texts? Can you write out some samples? My guess is maybe they come across as too interested (thus needy).

I'm skeptical about Facebook closing. There's almost no place people are flakier than Facebook. I'd go the more direct (albeit fold fashioned) phone route. Anyone disagree?

Fervor

Hey adover,

I did not see your interactions but here is my personal opinion. Girls will always flake and it does not meter how your interactions went. Women are emotional, may be yesterday she felt attracted to you, but next morning she does not feel it anymore.

Your main problem is that you are focusing on a quantity! Your objective in the game is to become centered and stop being focused on outcome. In other words, put more work into yourself, so in 10 years you will become that guy where women will be attracted to you naturally.

To achieve this mentality try to give out your number. In each set put as much value as you can and in the end just put your number into her cell phone. What if she is not gonna call you back? It means that you need to put more work into yourself.

Obviously it will take way more time, but eventually girls will start call you back. For example, imagine if a girl would have Brad Pitt's or any other celebrity's number. What are the odds that she will call him back? I will assume pretty high.

Remember that you are doing this for a future yourself. ( unless your objective is to get laid in a particular moment)

Best of luck,
OliverKing.

Hi all,
Wondering if any of you lot can help. Currently having some pretty solid interactions (Friday night - had one solid set where we were talking for about half an hour, good backwards and forwards conversation, kiss close and number close - and another where I had a really solid interaction (plenty of eyef**king) and another number and facebook close) - and I felt good about these sets, they weren't drunk girls, both were pretty normal, and I ran through direct opener > attraction > then spent the rest of the time getting to know them and qualifying them and 'trying' to build a connection - my pua mates are agreeing the interactions look solid.

However, I'm constantly getting to the point of the next day and texting them and getting absolutely nothing back/flaking massively (even the facebook close now hasn't responded to her friend request)! And this is pretty much every time I go out and run game (So I could guess at about 10-15 number closes).

I went through a stage where I was just constantly in the attraction phase - negging too much, however I now switch off all the game and really try to concentrate on finding out everything about them - still to get nothing back the next day - Confusing and frustrating.

Does anyone have any ideas? Me (and my pua mates) are stumped!

"I was talking to a girl in the club for two hours. I'm not sure if
I really liked her or not, but the club was closing and there was
no way her group of five friends would let me take her home.

"It was very nice meeting you," I said. I made it seem like this
was my goodbye.

"Hey why don't you give me your number?" she said.

"Why? So you can call me on the phone?"

"Umm yeah," she said.

"I'm not going to give you my number. Since I'm the man, I'll take
yours, I guess."

"You guess???"

I smiled and took out my cell phone. Even if she didn't offer the
number I could've gotten it anyway, but now it will be harder for
her to blow me off or flake afterwards since she put herself out
there and showed interest in such a strong way.

I believe that if two people like each other they shouldn't want to
part ways after just an hour or so. Instead they should choose to
continue the conversation onto a second location, wherever that may
be. But there is always logistical issues or "social norms" that
leaves the number as the only option left.

When guys get numbers, they get excited and see it as a potential
notch or prospect. I have heard many guys get a number and say,
"I'm glad I'm not going home empty handed!" While numbers have
potential, they have zero inherent value. Those guys are still
going home empty handed.

In fact, I believe a number has negative value because of the time
you will spend trying to contact her, and the money you will spend
on a date or two until you can figure out if she's trying to have
sex or not. A number only has value if there's a certainty that
calling the number will lead to a sexual encounter. If every number
always led to a lay would I be inclined to accept that numbers have
worth.

Until we get to that imaginary point, we can increase the value of
numbers by changing the way we get them. By showing reluctance in
getting the number and not making it the end itself, we actually
increase the likelihood that the number will lead to something.

Next time when you have to say goodbye to the girl and you've
exhausted your options to take the conversation somewhere else,
give her an opportunity to show interest and offer the number
before you have to do it. You do this by ending the conversation
with "It was really nice meeting you" and shutting up. If she does
like you, she will squirm and get anxious, and probably make a move
like the girl above did.

If she doesn't offer the number outright she may give you a mild
compliment, which she hopes will encourage you to ask for it. And
even if she doesn't make any move, you can still get the number if
you want by doing what you normally do. Your options always remain
open.

We are using a similar idea that religions and cults use. To commit
members to the cult, simply make them do enough pro-cult actions
which they can't rationalize as anything else but undying love for
the cult. The more work she puts into you, the more likely she will
like you (she can't rationalize otherwise), and the more likely she
will have sex with you.

What's even more important than getting a number is knowing what to
do with it. You don't want to spend all that time meeting a girl
only to blow it when you try to set a date.

I remember when I went on a number collecting spree for six months
just to practice phone game. I was tired of it costing my notches
and didn't get very far with using e-mail. I tested everything I
could, even seemingly basic things like the best times to call,
until I settled on the most optimal system that resulted in the
greatest number of first dates"