Hey guys, so here is the story. I'm out of a long term relationship for a couple of weeks now and I'm diving into the game (been at for about a week).

In this week Ive done probably over 20 approaches (day game only, mostly at the mall near my place).

My openings usually go extremely well and my initial negs are usually a smashing success. I am naturally pretty confident so i don't have any problems selling the fun behind the neg.

There are two things that seem trip me up every time. The first one is interest of the group. I keep my body language good and usually only speak to my target over my shoulder negging her occasionally. At a certain point she start taking steps for attention (leaning farther into the circle to face me more directly, speaking up, looking solely at me when she speaks, and other attention getting/seeking behaviour).

At this point Ive negged her once or twice and disarmed the group. Once she is clearly vying for my attention i start to focus on talking to her (this is aprx 5min mark) at this point two problems develope every time.

1. I can never switch the topic off of my opener. This causes the convo to get stale. Even when I try to lead a switch and start talking about other things every one else bleeds back into the reason why Im here (my opener). Because of this the topic gets stale, the interest fades, and I can now longer justify being there so Im forced to eject.

2. I have tried relying solely on my own DHV stories but i think im screwing up here or something. Maybe its the reason why people lean back into the opener convo. I have a very active life, Im a business student, im in the process of starting my own business, i rock climb, snow board, snow shoe, i tell stories about my relationship with my little sister and how i have to look out for her. All of these topics i have stories about where i can casually mention that i do these things so i can DHV spike. Unfortunately none of this works, Im known in my circle of friends for being a good story teller but i find it difficult to sell strangers on them. I dont know if i cant sell the stories to strangers or if strangers just don't care about the topics.

So my questions are:

-Is there a better way to DHV
-Should i be trying to isolate my target, if so how and when.
-what other things should i do at this point
-I try when in convo with the target to keep a ratio of 2-3 positive comments to one neg. Is this the best way?
-in a group should i only be kenoing the target or should it be everyone
-at what point do i start keno during day game.


Over all it feels great and the mood is great for the first 5 min. After that the entertainment slows and i feel as if people start to wonder why Im still hanging out and I have trouble justifying still being in the set. I have tonnes of interesting things to talk about but I cant tell if people don't care or if they think its weird that im going of topic (which is the only justified reason why i approached the group)

Thnx ahead of time for any help

Sincerely Prozak

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If she's in a group I think you'd have to isolate by some kind 'instant-date.' If you've built enough rapport in those 5 minutes you can ask her to help you buy a shirt (or something, anything creative) and make sure you direct the "request for her presence" towards the group rather than her. Example: "I really need to find a sexy shirt for a party I have tonight, can I borrow X for literally like 2 minutes?" (if you've negged properly and are confident you won't come across as 'needy' or w/e, confidence is key with that statement). Feel free to throw in some neg or cocky-funny routine, whatever you think will help.

Kino for group/target question: No idea dude sorry lol. I've got basically no experience with groups during daygame, I would think you should kino the group to some extent otherwise your signalling your attraction maybe too obviously.

When to start kino: ASAP. If you are confident and don't make it weird or draw attention to it, they won't mind kino right off the bat.

Good luck!

Thanks for the reply acid, that advise is gold. I definitely got some ideas when you put it that way on how to separate the target. Did a tonne of research on kino to. I still need to work on some short report building routines and chit chat to go between my opener and that phase but i think this will come with practice. I appreciate the time you took to offer advise.

cheers prozak

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"All you need in this life is ignorance and confidence, and then success is sure.” Mark Twain

Prozac,

I have great longevity with the girls and groups and get to the Hook point where they want me to hang with them for hours etc. I end up entering the dreaded "Friend Zone" This is going to happen if you stay too long. I agree you have isolate, escalate, and close. That's what I have decided to do. When you Isolate you have to transition to true seduction I believe.

we have to remember thet we are not entertainers. You have a specific mission. Unless you are paid to perform and this is your bread an butter go for that target and escalate. I think this is harder in a day game than say a club where I operate. Day game in a group I think is good to number close and pin hat girl down isolated at a later time, or later that night.

So I would move the material over to where you are isolating at the 5-7 minute mark..not the 45 minute mark. so good luck on it.

They probably wonder why you are still there becouse you don't SOI (statement of interest). Tell your target she is sexy. You are there to pick her up, make sure she understand that you are interested in her. The alpha male is not afraid to take what he likes. He don't have to excuse his existence.

If you have already negged her and she gives you strong IOIs, she'll be more than happy to know you find her interesting and especially sexy. I was afraid of telling girls I find them sexy, until I started trying it. So far the reactions have only been positive. Giving the SOI actually opens up the group and makes it much easier to get her on "insta date" (yep, it's really important to isolate her after a few minutes).

Good luck and hope it helps

Hey!

About the group, Mehow has a technique called KinoPinging, it is basically, touch everyone in the group, even the amogs.

Kino always brings good results, don't overthink about them, just do them.