I have a pretty bad friendzone sticking point. i meet a lot of girls through uni and friends of friends etc. Initially there is often a spark and IOI's. This usually leads to an exchange in numbers and we start texting. Now what. Do i just go straight in and ask them for a date? What usually happens is i see them again a few times within our circle of friends, and eventually we end up just friends!

This is starting to really piss me off, i find night/club game so frickin easy but not this stuff! When it comes to the more meaningful stuff i fail. It seems the sticking point is shortly after the first meet and number close. HELP!

your suffering from nice guy aka scared guy aka low sexual confidence guy syndrome.

The cure to being friend zoned on the reg is become more sexual and sexually aggressive soon after sufficient IoI's. You are also likely supplicating woman as soon as they show interest, which trades the attraction frame to the affection frame - bad move.

Ok thanks for the reply. Sorry what is meant by "supplicating" ?

supplication is the default method most afc's attempt to use to attract woman, this is where I started when I was an AFCas well. It is basically treating woman like men. You think by being nice to them, agreeing with what they say, not drawing boundary's with them, letting them waste your time, keeping rapport all the time, etc you are improving your sexual chance with her because she responds to these behaviors as a guy would: they smile, invite you to ice cream, and consider you a cool nice guy. Unfortunately this behavior precludes you from actually ever penetrating their crotchal region.

Most guys never have the discipline to ever really execute this attractive mode of behavior, and although most AFC's understand this basic premise once its explained to them, they will never have the balls to change it.

That was an awesome post, detox! Soooo many guys on campus have this happen to them. Obviously they don't realize it (or they may not be sexually interested in the first place) but its such a 'simple' problem to fix!

Every girl who gives you IOI's is potentially sexually attracted to you, you just have to awaken that potential by, as detox already said, being sexually aggressive/confident (whatever term you want to use).

cheers for the reply! that one kinda hit home.

No problem I came to that simple conclusion over time , although nothing about it is new per se.

I should clarify one thing, As I said earlier, the fastest and most direct cure to avoided being friend zoned is to be sexually aggressive from early on and don't be ambiguous as to your sexual or at least romantic intentions with a woman. However I'm not saying that's the secret of "good game". This is just the easiest, short term fix, to push guys out of the Nice guy zone.

For the real long run solution to over 50% of the game you will ever need, and to have a bounty of attractive woman you are sexual with in your life, understand how to combine what Mystery calls "A2" with a non-supplicating frame. This came as an epiphany to me these last few months. Now once you understand how to successfully execute those 2 things together you are likely going to have more pussy then you can handle. Unfortunately that's no easy task to execute and it goes against AFC's pathology. And will likely take a ton of behavior modification and paradigm shifting.