Twice I have killed week/month-long relationships with women I had a lot in common with, due to failure to get past her ASD.

First girl, I grounded to first, stole second and was caught in a pickle going to third! Acted like an AFC the next day. Game over.

Second girl - same situation. Exactly.

The second invites me back to her room - she wants sex, but then she shuts down. Asks, "Are you sure you want to keep kissing me?" [Yes] Jokes that her bra won't come undone after I fail to unlock. Tests me to see if I will stick around by asking if I want to do X with her in the future. [Sounds awesome]

Meet her again a second night, build up rapport, make out, bite her neck, massage her boobs briefly - get cut off. Head down south - get cut off. Breathe on her ear and I get, "that only works when I am turned on." Ouch. I try a freeze out - it fails and I end up leaving awkwardly.

Next day, the power has turned, I act like an AFC and lose another girl. Help.

How do I get past a girl's ASD when I am being cut off physically? What do I say?

it is not so much about what to say, more about what mind frame to be in,

you don't need anything from her, you are not trying to get anything from her, what happens is not important, try to escalate, if she stops you, don't push just enjoy the moment, everything is on her, just be, don't react to her, you are just a person in the situation, don't worry about the past and the future, just worry about the current, pay attention to what she is doing and saying, and relate everything to her, not to yourself, you must stop trying to get something from women, escalate but when met with resistance, relate the problem from her, and create a solution, do not relate the problem from yourself and create more problems

1)you don't need anything from her she is separate from you and you worry about what she needs from you and focus on her

2)respond to what she is doing in the situation, neither become aggressive or defensive, just exist and stay separate from her words when challenged

3)the frame is on her, not you, everything can be redirected so that all of the tension lies on her shoulders, she is trying to relieve it by placing the blame on you, so she can reject you and relieve more tension, keep the focus on her, if met with resistance, it is up to her to pass that resistance and you to lead her to do so, you do not pass the resistance your self, she must do so in a manner that makes her not feel responsible for her actions (you lead her to do so, but she still does so)

you can not control her emotions or actions, but you can control your own actions keep your actions unrelated from her, she is an addition to your plain of existence, you decide if she is added, or removed from your plain of existence, but what she does decides this not what you do, it is her fault not yours, relate the situation to her, not yourself

go with all of the above..
i prefer to keep it even simpler
1.just enjoy the company of females and don't expect anything physical from them at all.
2. be the one with the AntiSlutDefense, LastMinuteResistance, etc (change the game)
3.focus on feeling good about yourself and let them find a way past the ASD and LMR, which you put up for them (instead of them putting it up against you)

i admit, that this is not a surefire solution..and needs patience..there'll be collateral damage like the 35% who would not pass the ASD and hate me for it. or think i was weird, if not gay.

those who passed, were interestingly even the better looking ones (up to HB10) and the ones who would go out of their ways to meet up again.

the faintest clue to have sex came from a girl (half my size) who had been raped in the past; she went: "I know you don't want a relationship with me" (i never said that) " but can't we just have sex?"
the strongest assault on the ASD came from the smartest, most cultivated, an best looking woman with niveau...she just couldn't stand it any more and did me like a rat does cheese..completely ignoring my LMR. (technically it was a rape).

Thanks alot guys - I think I read you. I need to recheck my head game. Really think this will help.

Made it to those points by playing it cool, making it about her, having fun. Then I started expecting something, turned the focus on me, being a needy AFC. Screwed up.

I think my biggest problem will still be with this: Need to figure out how to lead in some of these situations, without just going with the flow and stalling, making things weird.

if your mind doesn't play along..there's a wonderful way to fix this.

find JESUS! not kidding! become a evangelist and put your whole heart into it.
learn to speak in tongues, sing gospel, try to become a holy person!
because this friggin radiates and chicks are hellbent to ruin it!

it's madness, whenever I wanted to be a strong believer, some chick always badly wanted to f*ck and had to totally ruin it..the stronger I tried to stay on "the path" the stronger the "assaults": then f*ck suddenly wasn't enough..it had to be assf*ck +++ for crying out loud! (I have sinned and backslidden xxxx times..)
chicks just seem to want to destroy that "holier than thou" feeling in you and remind you of why you incarnated into this body in the first place: to be wet and dirty!

I read in Scott Peck's book: "further along the road less travelled", about a interesting observation a pastor had made: women who truly let Jesus come into her hearts, had better sex/orgasms!
so whenever a couple confessed about how much better their love life has become, the pastor knew that they (she) had found the holy spirit.
...strange, huh?!

go to church with your girl!..the evangelical church is best to get em hot! (you'll see why)

so for starters, try to follow the path of faith. you need to save your soul anyways, because being in this forum means you're bound to end up in Dante's Third Bolgia of the Eighth Circle of Hell or worse.

beware: walking the path of faith is a powerful thing, it might just happen, that the right HB10 for you, will "fall into your lap"..be sure to not keep on gaming just for the score, if that happens. it's a gift; you don't want to spoil it.



ps: sometimes I like to talk about heaven and hell with (bad ass) women, because many chicks seem to think, that the dark and sinister is so much more romantic and exciting and I like to totally blow them out of the water.

Me: have you ever thought that you might go to hell for what you did?
she: oh why not? hell is more exciting! heaven is plain boring.
Me: no! hell is pure pain for eternity. think of your worst root canal, getting burned, etc..just 1000x worse, because in the nonphysical realm everything feels much more intense...and you can't die in order to end the pain which makes you forget who you were in mere seconds..
now think of your best orgasm. think of having it for every second... for ever... just 1000x better that is what you get in the place they call heaven!
she: how do you know?
me: Î know. I could tell you all I want but you'd know nothing until you've experienced it for yourself. but let me try to explain it by using one of the most important esoteric insights of all times:" -----pause----- "the saying: AS ABOVE SO BELOW". "it holds true in many ways..."

then I go talking about the different religions and beliefs:
"now there are different beliefs about what happens to us after we die: some eastern beliefs say that it's a the law of the jungle out there and your soul is unprotected prey for the stronger predators out there. then there's those who belive in reincarnation, then we have the muslims who believe to receive 72 virgins when they do well do you see in it the connection to the orgasm feel of heaven? which runs contrary to the feeling of burning in hell?, etc..etc..."
--pause--
"that was the ABOVE part..
now comes ...(and then i'd do this gesture****)

BELOW..in the here and now:"
--pause--
"what do we tend to do with things that we don't use any more?
we dump it on the streets or in the forrest, where it's the law of the jungle
we may try to recycle it (reincarnation)
if it was something precious or worth keeping we may even put it out for display keep on cherishing it and usually take good care of it (heaven)
or we just burn the rubbish (hell)"


you may want to try using this..after all, in the book "the game" it says, that all knowledge however esoteric is power..
might want to try throwing in a slight variation of a quote from the movie Joe Black....just for the fun of it..it'd go like: "Take that feeling, multiply it by infinity, take it to the depths of eternity, and you'll have a slight glimpse of how It feels."



****(the gesture)

bro,

when it come to LMR always try to be the first to eject. my favorite thing to do is when your making out and shes feelin it... u PULL back and be like... we shouldnt be doing this... or i cant do this... and start to walk away and then.... go bck at her....

it will make her feel like shes not good at what shes doing and it will make her want to continue further to make you feel better about the situation. STEAL her frame.

I had a situation where my ex gf and i were making out... and i kept telling her to stop... it drove her NUTS...literally lol bc she ended up going down on me and expected nothing in return. Was awesome lol.

Gl,
Duke