Hey, I'm relatively new to PUA and I'm trying to do my best to improve, mostly in Day Game and day 2s. I've had 18 day 2s and experimented in every one of them, sometimes at the cost of loosing the girl. And still, there are topics for me where I feel like I have learned NOTHING. Even after reading tons of material and testing it out. One of these topics is Kino escalation.
Have in mind, I'm mostly talking here about
Kino escalation in day 2s.
I want to know how Kino works and get the best results.
Here I'm writing some "rules" of Kino which I'm not sure of and I want an opinion from real experts.
- 1.
you should perform stealth touches before touching a girl overtly-openly == a girl is more open for touches if they are preceded by less intimate touches.
- Eg. palm reading (stealth hands) -> holding hands (overt hands) -> "accidentally" touching her abdomen while talking -> holding arm around her -> ... -> kiss
In my experience, stealth Kino does not help to escalate a girl at all.
If a girl is open for me touching her, she will probably allow me to wrap my arm around her back instantly. And if she's closed, I can keep running stealth Kino routines on her forever, she will still not let me touch her overtly.
One simple example:
after meeting a girl on a day 2, I now always take her hand and lead her holding her hand. Almost all girls were ok with that, except 3 ladies who didn't allow me to take their hands. Throughout the date I ran the same hands-touching routine on all of them, then a routine where I show a video on my phone and wrap my hand around a girl and hold her for a few minutes. And I tried to overtly take each girls hand at each day 2 after performing those routines. And none of them allowed me to.
2.
more rapport-comfort built by talking, changing venues and spending time together allows more intimate touches [within one date time frame]
I can confirm this, but only to some extent. It seems like it depends much more on the girl's type whether she will be open for certain touches on day 2 than on my efforts building rapport. Girl A will make out with me 10 min after date start (maybe much sooner, if only I try). Girl B will allow me to touch her torso and caress her neck from minute 1, but wouldn't kiss me even after 2 hours. Girl C wouldn't even hold hands at the end of the date.
3.
the longer the touch, the more comfort it makes == longer is better
Like if I hold my arm around her for 20 min or spend 10 min stroking her neck, then she will be more open for kissing.
I made this up myself, cause it seems intuitive. Don't know how to test it.
4.
ending the touch makes a girl want more, in other words, short touch makes a girl more open for following touches == shorter is better
I've seen some MPUA writing smth like, if you hold girls hand for a while, then release it, the girl will want to get the physical contact back and take your hand herself. Never happened to me.
5.
Kino builds attraction
- (should I touch a girl in Day Game? Should I touch her on a date, if I see that she's physically closed and I will not be able to reach a make out with her on that date?)
There's some theory that says if you touch a girl, she will rationalize smth like: "I allowed him to touch me, so I must really like him", or does this theory only apply to sex?
Also, Kino might build attraction cause a girl might see you as more self-confident if you touch her.
On the other hand, touching a girl might seem needy.
6.
a girl is more open for Kino if it's combined with verbal Game
Some MPUAs say that talking helps to keep girls focus away from touches, so she does less resistance to Kino.
Also, there's a theory that a girl becomes much more open to touches right after some type of qualification.
Haven't tested much, I'm talkative, it would be pretty hard for me to cover my Kino with talking.
How important is that?
Also, does anyone know any links of good day 2 videos? Cause it's probably better to see once than read 100 times. Lots Day Game pickup videos, but haven't found any day 2 videos.
CHAT