Where should morals come in to the pick up? I keep running in to the same problems. Do many pick up artists still go ahead and fuck girls who :

A) Have short term boyfriends, specifically when you also know the boyfriend.
B) Have long term boyfriends, and children with the guy, but you dont know the boyfriend or the child.
C) HBs who are within your sort of "social network" i.e. close family friends etc... and have the above characteristics (and so could fuck you up in the long run if it came out).

Obviously, if the boyfriend was a close friend then there would be no issue. I wouldn't do it.

But, basically, i have run in to these problem in the past and specifically, 2 times within the last week or so! I have actually wanted to myself but walked away from each (even when a HB8 with the LTR and kid etc... was gagging for me to fuck her and afterwards went on to get my number off someone and has been intitating texting me all sorts of shit for the past couple of week haha - i didnt want to but i have just froze her out now and i think shes lost interest). For me it isn't right and isn't worth the hassle. Not only for me but for the young kid and their boyfriends if they found out. But what do you guys think? Or should i just go ahead and fuk em till their nose bleeds lol? Life seems too short to give a fuck when i think about it, anyway, let me know fellas!

First off, "leave her better than you found her". So of course morals play a part in PU. Now some people's morals are different than others' morals, so that's the gray area, but it's not like you enter a "PUA" mode where you stop being a thinking, moral, human being, so...

Yeah, I definitely wouldn't mess with any situation in which the girl is living with a guy and they have kids, or are married, etc, etc. Wouldn't even bother flirting with them. You don't want to invite all that drama, and I think it's just wrong.

But short term and whatever you deem is long term boyfriends (1 year is what you would say?), is a different matter. To be honest, I have two different rules on it, one in either direction, and I oscillate between the two depending on the situation:

1. This guy is playing the same game as you, found the same girl attractive, and if he's doing a fine job, why break them up? To you, it's the same whether you get with this girl or with a different girl ten feet away who's equally attractive, but to him, it is a big deal, because he's already invested in this relationship with this other girl. I'm never one to break up something.

2. At the same time, you don't know their situation. It could be that he's treating her poorly. Some girls just don't want to be without a boyfriend, so jump from guy to guy instead of straight dropping a jerk. She's looking for an escape in this case, so why not make it be you? Either way, she's a grown adult, she knows the situation better than you, and she can make her own decision in this matter. Some people think that PU is just some form of manipulating a girl into doing what you want. That's not what it is. It's proving yourself an attractive guy who she is interested in, and letting her make the final decision. Even when using LMR techniques, if it doesn't work, are you going to rape her? NO! Let her "no" be "not yet", and just continue to prove you're worthwhile. It's simply like knowing how to navigate a woman's brain.

Hope that helps explain it!

Never rape your own conscience. You'll hate yourself and you'll find it difficult to enjoy sex no matter who it is.

Having a set of standards you operate from and using common sense will save you from having to make "moral" descisions. All the situations you brought up would be ones I`d pass up on...Especially if there weren`t anything other than pussy to gain.