Hey gang,

I'm not sure if this is the right place to chuck this up, as its less to do with chicks, and more to do with alpha game, but it is a recurring problem so I may as well see how I go.
Apologies for length in advance!

So I have this issue, where I have a strong group of 4 mates (which of recent has started to fall apart a bit, two getting girlfriends, one disappearing completely due to it, and the other two starting what seems like a love affair - people are actually speculating if they are gay they spend so much time together).

Anyhow, so basically when I go out, to the pub or something, I've always been the guy who is rather brash and tends to just say what he thinks, often taking conversations with women present to very sexual and vivid topics.
Now in my mind, this is fine. The girls seem to thrive on the ability to talk about "taboo" topics because they see that I am not afraid to speak openly about it and jump at the opportunity.
Also I tend to think it displays alpha male characteristics of not being affected by social standards etc.

However, my two "love affair" mates seem to have a big issue with it, and as soon as I bring anything up which seems a bit 'too far' for their liking, they will snort in feigned disgust and shake their heads openly in order to seem like they have nothing to do with it. This is fine by me, but when the girls see it, it tends to give a general overtone they are disapproving of me and a lot of my alpha manner seems to be drawn away because my mates shake their heads at me disapprovingly.

Basically, I want to know what you guys would do in a situation where you throw out a 'taboo' topic or something along those lines and instantly get shut down to an extent by your mates or even a random obstacle male.

My recent tactic has been to instantly focus attention on the targets ignoring my mates, often blocking them out of the conversation, asking for opinions or stoking conversation. This has worked pretty well in a standing setting, with most girls with some sort of attraction to me already going into wild rants about the topic and subsequently my mates stop shaking their heads and join the conversation like it was a normal topic again (which might I add pisses me off more than the original disapproval). I have just found in a table setting it can be harder without the physical barrier to hide their disapproval.

Any ideas how I can disarm their negativity? It almost seems like they think my brashness is harming their chances with the girls when more often than not its me that walks away with the girls number or the lay.

Thanks a lot,
Dego

Oh and no, I'm not ditching my mates, we have been best mates for years now and they are good fun to go out with, it just seems like they hold me back with pickup. (They have no idea I'm actively gaming)

I could be way off, but here we go...basically when they do that, it is their way of DLV'ing you. When you get into those "taboo" topics, they can play like it is a topic that shouldnt be talked about and hoping the girls will agree with them or "get on their level."

MAYBE what you could try when you see that they are doing that, you basically DLV them and while still conversating with the girls, you motion to your guys and say something along the lines of "oh, I must be making the virgins uncomfortable." or something along those lines (you may be able to use something besides virgin, but was just saying) there may be some joking around that occurs afterwards, and they may even be a part of it, but most likely not in a good way.

Especially if the girls laugh with you and/or at them...then you know you are in control of things. Hell, no matter the situation, if you get girls to laugh AT your friends...youre basically golden.

Jackpot. That's nearly exactly the sort of thing I'm looking for and I think you managed to outline the issue in all of two lines where I didn't even define it perfectly in my whole original post.

It totally does seem like a case of them trying to DLV me, and I know one of the guys has always had this stigma that I was of lesser value (because in school days he would take me to more parties than I would he) and I have this feeling that he has this little spite because in the space of getting my first KC (years ago now) and now, I've managed to outdo him with women and he can't fathom how his "nice, genuine guy" game doesn't work for him. So on that level I feel he does it out of spite and jealousy.

The other bloke if mate1 (^^^^) wasn't around would be hesitant but if I pushed forward with a topic would go along with it without DLVing me and try be an active participant. It's basically a case of a do gooder trying to be alpha male... always becomes a conflict.

Whilst the line about virgins would essentially be good for disarming them and negging the girls slightly, I think something stronger is needed to basically cut them down in a funny way completely.

I was thinking something along the lines of when they scoff or shake their heads pausing with my point to demonstrate that I'm not phased by them (don't need to charge ahead and get my point out as fast as possible to try get some agreeance - beta stuff) and then turn to the girls sort of chuckling and say: "I really can't bring these guys anywhere, they get all clammy and embarrassed as soon as anyone talks about dirty things like hand holding... Ew Right?"

Thoughts?

Haha, I like youre line cause it's a little more passive, just in case you havent completely felt out how the girls are on the subject yet.

As for my virgin line I wasnt looking at it as a neg towards the girls...as long as you motion to the guys somehow, the girls will (or at least should) realize that you are referrring to the guys, and not them in any way. The guys probably wont have a comeback for it, and when they go silent youre in control and the chicks attention will be on you.