How do you deal with girls with bf's. I don't mean one night lays, where you make them cheat. Thats not too hard, thats just taking advantage of a momentary situation. I mean, how to completely steal a girlfriend. I have noticed that most of the 9s and 10s ALWAYS have a boyfriend. Most of the are what I like to call "Chimpanzees" they will only let go of one branch, when they are already holding on to another. Coming across a 9 or a 10 who is single is a very rare occasion, and normally, she has some sort of self-esteem issue. So rather than wait around to come across a perfect 9 or 10 who you can game. I would rather take charge of my life and seize what I want. I mean, in the end... aren't we constantly in competition with one an other?

That being said anyone got advice and links to info on dealing with bf's. I've read the BF destroyer patterns and even used some of them... but thats not always enough, esp if you plan to steal girlfriends. I found some material on the subject:

http://www.girlfriendstealer.com/index. ... cle&sid=31

What do you guys think? It seems like its a very different game from a regular Pick Up. And in fact, you HAVE to move slow, and be very, VERY patient. You gotta evoke emotions and play on her feminine fantasies. Being Mr. Perfect. And apparently the kiss has to come MUCH later than usual. What do you guys think about this? Anyone have any exp when it comes to dealing with stealing girlfriends? Any stories?

How do you guys approach this? Do you move quickly like you do with other girls? It seems like you put too much at risk with things if you move too fast. Or do you guys take a slower approach and really forge a bond? How do you calibrate for the situations? Is it normal to go through periods of disinterest in the girl, where the bf is more important? I know creating conflict and guilt in the girl is part of it. Playing this of as guided fate as well. Also, winning over her friends, all in all, it looks to me like a very different game from a single girl pick up. However the basic principles still apply. What do you think?

I mean the other alternative to this would be to throw these girls in the wait till shes single pile, and hope you can rekindle shit when the break up comes... But that seems very AFC. One has to strike the iron while its hot. Thats the core rule of PUA. Well, thats my sticking point right now gents. Some feedback and stories would be nice. I'm sure there are other members in the community who feel the same way as well. I see it as part of learning process into becoming a "Masterful Lover" as David Shade puts it. Why let these poor girls waste their time with a snorefriend, when they could have you, a much better and experienced option instead? Besides, the general rule is, if shes not looking for someone else, you wont have any chance with these girls to begin with, so its not as immoral as some will probably suggest. Relationships are temporary imo.


Well, anyways, stories and feedback guys, I wanna figure this out.

Cheers

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hey man,

I've actually been in a situation like this for the past 4 or so months...

Here's my story:

It's with a HB9 at work, corporate business setting. We sat back to back in an office for a while so I kept myself entertained flirting and hitting on her. Christmas party comes and we end up in the same hotel bed. There's lmr, due to her being my superior.. so I left it at that, she wasnt going anywhere. Turns out the lmr wasnt so much for career reasons (I'm an intern), rather that she's goin out with a pro hockey player in Philadelphia. We go on and off meeting up on the weekends for drunk hookups, but she'd never let me fuck her. I decide to shut her off, no eye contact or anything even at work. Two days into it she defriends me on facebook... very immature, need to look past, so said nothing. Two weeks into no contact she texts me "I need to talk to you". I say it doesnt matter if its in person or over the phone to me (I dont give a shit), so she says she needs to see me. Parks at my place since theres a bar next to it to grab some drinks. We share laughs and talk nothing of her boyfriend, I continue to make eye contact with other girls, giving them looks, making her jealous. Last call comes and we walk back to my place, I let her lead the direction.. we pass the entrance to the parking lot and head to my front entrance. Go upstairs, hook up- finger bang the shit out of her, and I feel her pushing my head down to eat her out.. she hasn't even touched my dick yet so I brush her off me and lay down for a sec, shes upset but im showing im more upset. she's got a boyfriend, she's there to get fucked.. but apparently likes me too. She left my place in the morning crying, unsure of herself or what she wants. Texting me minutes later asking to tell her why I like her so much.. I mean i did like her, and still do, but just want to get to know her first before getting into something serious. I THINK THERE'S THE PROBLEM, since she's with a boyfriend, that next guy has to show they can do that... I did, and even told her that I could, which left her very unsure. Her LMR is that since I initially gamed her, she thinks I'm doing this to many girls..
Now the story is left with me still working at the place, but two days a week. so i dont see her as much, which is GOOD. I try not to be the one sending initial texts, or even replies at this point. For instance, she sent me a text this past saturday night: "I could use a strong drink". obviously insinuating a meet up, and obvious hookup.

**YOU NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR: you dont want to be friends with this girl, you want her to BE your girl. if it means even just saying that confidently to her, I think that's stand up and any girl with a boyfriend will look at you differently, because you're telling her how.

As of today I am left drawn, because while I do have genuine feelings for this broad, she is playing some crazing games- and maybe she just is crazy.. but I also entertain myself while playin a game of my own on her. not sure if I'll respond to the next random text.

I think stealing GFs is a bit unethical but it depends on how the relationship is. If its a strong relationship, then its really a no. But if the BF is an AFC or just a plain needy douche, then by all means go in.

@zman

Yeah, I have to agree. You have to be honest and clear in your actions in showing that you want her. Otherwise you come across as being sneaky, and you body language and actions will show that. You wont be congruent and will fail some of her shit tests. When things look like they may not go in your favor you will sink into the comfort of friendship and you don't want that. Simply because even if she really likes you. Shes not gonna leave the boyfriend, unless she KNOWS for a fact that you are interested in her enough to want to have something serious. But also, she has to be able to trust you, and if you are trying to hide your intentions (wanting her), then she will see that, and wont be able to trust you completely.

In the link I posed, the woman suggests taking it slow and letting things build up, and although I agree with everything else she posted. I think a faster approach is better. Once you have enough comfort to meet up for day2s, you should make your intentions a lot more clear. Switch frames you know... I suppose the slow approach is another way of doing things, and it has its place under certain circumstances. But honestly I feel a lot more comfortable in being brutally honest with yourself and her. Besides, moving like that takes balls, and that separates your from the rest of the crowd of guys who will try to "wait things out," and I think that in itself will sweep her off her feet. Because not only do you show you are a man who knows what he wants and is willing to take risks to get what he wants, but also that you like her enough to go after her no matter the circumstances.

idk man, thats my two cents on the matter... Thats the way I'm gonna start approaching this kind of game, at least.

As for your girl, thats the thing with girls in relationships, you cant ever kill the feeling that she could just be playing you and using you for her own satisfaction. And most of it is because she is. Especially since this game relies a lot on a girl's egotism and lack of satisfaction. So on our side there is also a lack of trust as well, at least to an extent.


@Physicist
Well, if a girl is in a happy relationship, she is not gonna give you ANY chance. If shes giving you an opportunity its because in part, she WANTS to find someone better. She WANTS to be stolen.

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@ Physicist, I'm completely agreeing with ManlySpirit. If you're not going to sweep her off her feet, some other dude will. obviously the relationship the girl is in isn't too solid, otherwise there would be no chance- which is the case with some broads. I guess it's recognizing if there is a genuine interest the girl has for you, then acting on it- cuz she isnt likely to be the leader. Then there's laying it out there just saying "I have plenty of friends that are girls, probably too many, I'm not looking to be your friend." pretty blunt, but your intentions are out there. and fuck, if she reacts weird to it, no big deal- actually saved you a bunch of time tryin to set it up.


Nice input ManlySpirit. It's funny, I've actually discussed this with another girl at work- who's the only other person who knows the situation (or at least part of it). She basically said that the girl I'm going for, while has a boyfriend, will never not like me and that the only way I'll stop gettin signs from her from conversation and body language will be when I'm not working there anymore.. which actually happens to be in a couple months (I'm planning..).

right now I'm just in flux- she thinks I'm with multiple girls throughout the week, which sometimes tends to be true. I don't want to come off needy, putting attention on her, for I feel that that will just friend zone that shit fast.

Last time I directly pushed to set something up with her was a month ago..
Texted her something like: "so are you ready to see me tonight?"
She replied asking me if it was meant for another girl haha.
I tell her, "I'm askin you because I want to see you".
She replies "I'd like that ".
She works downtown at a restaurant and got out around midnight, so we decided to do somethin another time.

Next day, Sat night, I'm with my boys gettin shithoused at a concert. I initiate text early in night around 7 so show I'm not drunk yet- but thinking about it. **Not just looking to hookup when drunk.. She says shes at work but gettin out in a few.. texts me around 10 sayin she's hittin up a bar I know downtown. My boys and I end up goin back to my apartment to get more obliterated. She texts me throughout night thinking that I'm coming, but never show up.. way to obliterated hahah.

That was a month ago, a little hurdle but no big deal. I'm tryin to decide whether not to try to set it up with her this weekend and how to approach it, cause I cant use the same line haha

Any ideas or input from someone in this type of situation or can evaluate it? I'm keepin busy workin on other girls but this one is on my mind.. just not sure if its the right time to go for it

im having a similar situation here.

In a restaurant owned by my family in wich i work part time to help them there is this host woman (i dont know the exact english word for that but she is the one who is at the front door and talk customers into eating there and acompany them to their tables) who is a 9 and even more my type of woma fisically (tall, amazonian look) but as me being the owner son and stuff i mostly practice casual gaming her everytime i went but them one time we (my wingman, my wingwoman..... for some reason i feel that i need a wingdog to complete the set XD. Actually my wingwoman work next to her) went to have some drinks at her house and everytime was going well i practically use the whole game to play with girl post of this forum and i had her talking about sex i was escalating and even though she told me she was seing someone i was caressing her leg but then the daughter of my wingwoman enter the living room and that put a crippling stop at my scalation.
Then i kinda next her involuntary (one of the employee saw us leaving together so they started spreading rumors and also at the time i was having problem with another relationship). And know she broke with this guy and got herself a boyfriend who she told me i was a guy she meet before and now they are together.
So my situation with this woman is we talk when i go to work, im in her facebook but i rarely talk to her (i dont want to appear needy) and she gave me her cell phone.
I dont know if i want her as a GF, i mean i would love to try but im of the opinion that one cant really know that after a fucking.

We gonna kinda having drinks next week but i would see how this goes, im leaving my wingwoman tune the detail for now.

Thats my HB with BF situation. On the advice side i would say i agree with having a clear term of the relationship you want with this girl but also keep in mind the delivery. This is an extract from 60 years of challenge that i really think it could be usefull to this tread:

"NEXT
When guys have a crush on a girl they know doesn’t like them back they threaten to end
the friendship by saying “I can’t hang out with you anymore. I like you too
much”. Instead just next her with no explanation. If she asks you for the reason tell her
it’s because you want to fuck her so badly you can’t be around her. You have a
constant boner and if it lasts any longer you might have to go see your doctor.
Tell her she must have cast some weird sexual spell on you. All you think about is
ripping her clothes off. Tell her you jerked off to her last night. Tell her you are having
these recurring dreams where you tie her up and order her to do all types of nasty stuff
to you.
And while all this is fun, mention how it is effecting your studying.
Never Pout
If you break things off with her in any other way. For example you just stop taking her
calls; she will think you are avoiding her because she hurt your feelings. In other words
she will think you are being a baby. If she had any attraction towards you sat all, it’s now
gone. Breaking it off with her in this way will only hurt her ego. Not raise her interest
level.
Instead use this frame (aka The Horny Next, the only way out of the friend zone)
I’m sorry. You are a nice girl. But I just can’t be around you because I am too fucking
horny for you. I’m like a predator. You are not safe around me."

Dont know if it works as good with woman you see on a kind of regular basis because the author says he didnt invent his method for work of social circles but if one thing i extract from all this is the following "one should never be the one defining the relationship" by this i mean if one goes with the "im not looking to be friends with you etc etc" one shouldnt be the one bringing it up because if doenst hold the same weigh as if she brought it up.
For example i you go straight and tell her, in my opinion it would seen like emotional blackmailing but if you instead act cold towards her, not hostile but distant, and she ask you whats going on i would be interpreted on a better light


Dont know if it is usefull or not, take what you will of this

Well zman, My advice to you is to recognize that this girl means a lot to you. Search deeply within yourself and ask yourself... How badly do you want her? and how far are you willing to go to get her. Once you answer these questions you will know if you are ready to take a "leap of faith." From then on, the only one who can truly tell you what to do is yourself. Trust your own instinct.

However, this does not mean drop all of your other prospects and and focus on just her... No, not at all actually. You want to keep your dominant frame, and all. However, you don't lose points for telling this girl you think shes special. Give her a cold reading and find those things in her personality that you really like about her. And pay her complements on who she is a person. I think this girl may just wanna feel secure with the idea that you are there for her, so she can make the leap. She wants to be able to know that she can trust you. So keep your other prospects much more discreet.

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your morals are quite flexible...

One of recent rules I adopted in my "code" is to not sleep with a girl with a bf, but still see her. If she is worth putting a lot of effort into, and I really want something more than a 1 night stand, then I'll make my best to make her break up with him and be with me. If relationship is good, she won't do that, if its crappy, she probably will...+ this way I'm not indulged in any cheating activity. This my rule, you should develop your own, depending on how you view the world.

Thats pretty much how I play things as well. My talking to my dad the other day he told me. "You don't STEAL girlfriends, son. Just take it casually and see her a lot, if shes interested, she will come to you all by herself." This way you are not doing anything unethical, but also don't limit yourself through any stupid 'bro code' or any of that crap. His advice was not to get involved in cheating or anything like that, to set your boundaries and make her play your rules, but also, give her a line so that she has something to follow. Relationships are fragile, many girls have boyfriends simply as a place-hold till someone better comes along, so don't fret over the stupid detail and focus on what you want.

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@ Hako- Fully agree with you on that those notes. It is important to recognize the social interaction you are having with the girl quickly, ie: in my example this girls at my work, so goin so far to her that I jack off to her every night probably isnt the best route haha. But I like the dominant expression, something she may be lacking if is looking at any other man than hers.

*Update on my situation with this girl at work.. likely to have opened a huge can of worms this weekend haha. Didnt talk to her all weekend, but met up with the intern that works back to back with her at a concert and she spent the night at my place.. had a great time the whole night, escalated to see where to push it but could tell she wasn't a girl that just fucks and thats it.. Seems more like shes looking for something more. certainly the her body language was showing this with her legs wrapped around mine the entire night. I dont think she'll say anything, as she's told me she's terrified of the other girl at work- thinks she's hitting on me and is jealous. I wont be sayin anything..


Anyways, she's picking me up tomorrow morning to drive into work together.. we'll she how it goes haha

If a girl is willing to cheat on her bf for you, then what stops her doing the exact same thing to you? Why would you want a chimpanzee gf, if the relationship has gone to shit, you'll want to move on, not have her still clinging to your branch.

Interest point but how you manage to keep seeing a girl without falling in the friend zone?

In my opinion, the friend zone doesn't actually exist, I have really only heard those words once in my life. In my experience if you are someone she wants to date/fuck, she wont ever put you in there. Women tend to categorize me pretty early on. Loser, Just a friend, BF material, fuck-buddy, ONS. Its mostly based on the vibe you put out yourself. But if you think about it, we do it too. Try to see it from your point of view. Have you ever put a girl in the friends zone? I certainly have. Why did you do it? What put her there? What can she do to get out? Its the same concept. The way I see it, as long as you keep escalating, you'll be fine, you can take your time, game as slow as you want. And I don't mean just kino, although kino is vital as well. I mean escalation in all senses, get closer to her, build a stronger bond, create emotional dependence on you. Amaze her, impress her, DHV. Look, if she sees you are an attractive male you are safe. If she sees other girls want you, if she sees that you are unique, if shes sees you are not a pushover. You can take as long as you want. You will just make her want you more.

There was more i wanted to say... but this is the second damn time I write this, the original post didnt post for some reason, and I forgot some things. I lost some inspiration. Oh well you get the idea.

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I'm in the same boat as you guys,

The barmaid up my local is a HB7 but her personality rounds it up to about and 8.5/9, unfortunately she has a boyfriend. I'm hoping for a LTR with her, we've got to know each other the past few times I've been up there, I haven't been able to use any kino though with the bar between us..

I've been recieving conflicting information on what to do next. Some guys have been saying ask her out on my mate's boat, others have said not to. Then some have said to tell her I love her and what not while others have said I need to take a step back as I'm to eager. What would you guys do?