Hi

Since I started using PUA material I have gotten pretty decent at kiss closing. At least much better at it compared to when I was pre-PUA. I have been kiss closing by using C&F, role playing, proximity kino, normal kino (hugs), mis-interpretiing conversation into sexual conversation/jokes, statements of escalation.

But when it comes to f closing, ZERO. The excuses range from having to work tomorrow, being tired, having a boyfriend, not knowing me well enough, just met me.

One case was at a girls house, so I used FREEZE OUT, but then she fell asleep. At bars/clubs its the boyfriend line or she is with a group of girls/friends. I may try to game other girls in front of them but it doesn't seem to work!

So, I guess, I need to take a step back and try to understand what to do.

I assume some girls simply will require more time (a D2 or D2+D3)?

Your thoughts?

Thanks

I'm having the same problems. I think further kino is the key. I tried to breathe heavily in this one girls neck and she closed her eyes and breathed heavy aswell, but I messed it up by going for the fun stuff while still at the bar/club.

If she gives you lame excuses for pulling then you need to get her comfortable with the idea of having sex with you.

Sexual framing is a good tool to use that will accomplish just that;
- If she likes you too much and is scared that you're gonna judge her as a slut then you'll need to set the frame that you're nonjudgmental.
- If she's scared of her friends judging her then you need to set the frames of being discreet (that you're both good at keeping secrets) and her being an independent woman.
- That she's sexually aggressive is also a great one to set, this will get her chasing you more.

Seeing as most woman ARE scared of being perceived a slut by anybody, it's safe to set these frames in every interaction with woman.

If you're not familiar with sexual frames, go look it up. Captain Jack was the first one to come up with the idea, and then Sinn, Nick Quick, etc all rehashed it. There's loads of posts around here on the forum too.

And like the guy above said; Sex is a mood based thing, if you both like eachother and sex isn't happening, she has to get in the mood first (e.g. getting her physically aroused).

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